Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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And with all due respect, I think you have misunderstood the main motive for the leave vote.

Not at all Sean. I'm long enough in the tooth to have considered all the issues before deciding which way to vote. I don't think 17+ million voted leave without giving due consideration to the issues leading to their decision, nor what the future may hold. Those that I have spoken to since the election have all stated that there was a raft of issues they considered, before deciding to vote to leave the trainwreck that is the EU...
 
Not at all Sean. I'm long enough in the tooth to have considered all the issues before deciding which way to vote. I don't think 17+ million voted leave without giving due consideration to the issues leading to their decision, nor what the future may hold. Those that I have spoken to since the election have all stated that there was a raft of issues they considered, before deciding to vote to leave the trainwreck that is the EU...

4 million people voted UKIP in the last election. The sheer volume of people voting has sod all to do with proving whether the decision is the right one.
 
4 million people voted UKIP in the last election. The sheer volume of people voting has sod all to do with proving whether the decision is the right one.
Yes and our government is in power with only 30 plus percentage of the vote, UKIP hurt Labour more that the Tories now Labour has imploded Tories will be in power for sometime yet!
As for UKIP getting 4 million votes so what it's a democracy unlike Labour who are infriltrated by momentum it's the 1980's all over again for Labour also if Brexit is not delivered UKIP will prosper especially with a out vote!
 
4 million people voted UKIP in the last election. The sheer volume of people voting has sod all to do with proving whether the decision is the right one.

Ha, ha, ha. Another remain voter!!!

"...4 million people voted UKIP in the last election..." which means 4 million people agreed with the views of that party. Your point is...?

The sheer volume of people who voted to leave meant they carried the day. The 'Remain' faction came second in a two-horse race...

It would appear your view is that the decision was not the right one. Tough! Get over it! (A great song by the Eagles, by the way! Worth a listen for the sentiment in it...)
 
Where've you been these last few months? They were all over the media, preaching doom & gloom if the vote was to leave. The 'system' and the 'unelected European bureaucrats' were also in the overall mix of reasons, I believe.

And you are quite right, I don't class Osborne as an economic expert at all. This is the guy who threatened a swingeing budget if the vote was to pull out. A budget that would make ordinary people poorer. I do believe no great brain ticks there...

That threat of impoverishing the already impoverished ;) top move that Georgie.....

People wanted change, any change, had an opportunity and took it.
 
That threat of impoverishing the already impoverished ;) top move that Georgie.....

People wanted change, any change, had an opportunity and took it.

I agree. People wanted change, any change. And for the first time in a long time, people felt as though their vote actually counted towards something. In my opinion, years and years of de-industrialisation, lack of job opportunities and further marginalisation of working class towns around this country had a huge impact on the result of the vote.

For me, at least, the rebellion has been directed in the wrong place. I don't blame any one person who voted leave. I don't want the decision reversed. I do, however, blame the successive shambles of governments which ultimately allowed this to happen. From ripping out industry, turning working towns into ghost towns and denying opportunities, to holding a referendum on the back of careerist politics. It's an omni-shambles.

What will leaving the EU achieve? Okay, if you voted leave because of opposition to potential globalisation, we may or may not see the benefits of that in the future depending on the objectives of the EU and whether it happens or not. Otherwise, I'm not too sure what it will achieve, apart from a victory for the press who ran anti-immigration campaigns to sell masses of newspapers, and certain politicians who got a promotion off the back of it.

Of course, we will sign ourselves up to some free trade agreement and immigration won't actually change, not that I particularly want it to. So what have the people achieved?

Compare your answer to what those who played pivotal roles in the leave campaign achieved, from the press to the politicians.

I am trying, but I cannot see the blatant benefits others can. Perhaps it's because I'm a pessimist, I don't know.
 
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Not at all Sean. I'm long enough in the tooth to have considered all the issues before deciding which way to vote. I don't think 17+ million voted leave without giving due consideration to the issues leading to their decision, nor what the future may hold. Those that I have spoken to since the election have all stated that there was a raft of issues they considered, before deciding to vote to leave the trainwreck that is the EU...

I am by no means implying that you yourself didn't know your own motives for voting leave. I am sure that you did, and I'm sure you had plenty. I wouldn't assume though, that on a large scale, the majority of people voted for the same reason(s) that you did.
 
Ha, ha, ha. Another remain voter!!!

"...4 million people voted UKIP in the last election..." which means 4 million people agreed with the views of that party. Your point is...?

The sheer volume of people who voted to leave meant they carried the day. The 'Remain' faction came second in a two-horse race...

It would appear your view is that the decision was not the right one. Tough! Get over it! (A great song by the Eagles, by the way! Worth a listen for the sentiment in it...)
Very apt name for your views.

Can ton change it to "Xenophobic Blue Whos Selflishly Sold Out The Younger Generations As They Like Johnson And Gove 2" please.
 
And you are quite right, I don't class Osborne as an economic expert at all. This is the guy who threatened a swingeing budget if the vote was to pull out. A budget that would make ordinary people poorer. I do believe no great brain ticks there...

I doubt many could criticise Osborne for lacking intellectual capacity. The main concern of many around him, apparently, was that his solutions to problems were often based on political rather than monetary considerations. Probably no sort of economist at all....................
 
I am by no means implying that you yourself didn't know your own motives for voting leave. I am sure that you did, and I'm sure you had plenty. I wouldn't assume though, that on a large scale, the majority of people voted for the same reason(s) that you did.

I did not claim that they did follow the same reason(ing) that I had, but it is disingenuous to think/suggest that most leave voters voted the way they did without giving any thought to the issues at present, and the consequences in the future. It seems to be a recurring theme from those who wanted to remain (and I'm not saying this is you in particular) that the leave voters didn't grasp or understand the future consequences. I tend to think the leave voters DID grasp what the future may hold by staying in, far more so than the remain voters, who simply wanted the status quo...
 
Very apt name for your views.

Can ton change it to "Xenophobic Blue Whos Selflishly Sold Out The Younger Generations As They Like Johnson And Gove 2" please.

Now, now, no need to get personal. The generations that were sold out were those of my generation and the following ones, who, over time, were taken into a scenario that had never been voted for. It was sold to us YOUNG generation in the 1970s as an economic arrangement for trading purposes, NOT the bureaucratic monster it has evolved into.

I do hope you understand the above paragraph, youngster, as you and your kind do not have the life experience that I and my kind have. I will extrapolate further if needs be...

'Sold out the Younger generations' - yawn feckin' yawn feckin' yawn. Change the record...
 
I doubt many could criticise Osborne for lacking intellectual capacity. The main concern of many around him, apparently, was that his solutions to problems were often based on political rather than monetary considerations. Probably no sort of economist at all....................

As I said previously, tony, education does not equal intelligence. There is something basically missing from that guy, who thinks cuts, cuts, cuts is/was the way forward. A simple calculation of the financial loss to the treasury of every job loss (multiplied by however many thousands you wish to use) would tell you how bankrupt that guy was in regard to stabilising/improving this country's financial situation.
 
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