Current Affairs EU In or Out

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[peteblue]

I may have been the pub........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Out of all that in that post you claim the out vote was unfair?

I don't claim anything Joey, as I mentioned in my post, whilst I have contributed to the LSE Business Review, I am not John Van Reenen the author of the post.

Well, I've read some crap over the years on internet forums, but this takes the biscuit. Take a bow, for writing the biggest load of crap ever.

Let me give you a singular clue. The BBC did not cover the remain argument sufficiently (I'm not going to re-post reams of your post - just read the relevant part again). Really? Perhaps you never listened to any of 'Adolf' Smith's rantings on the BBC news every day about the benefits of staying in, and the perils of leaving. The guy was/is an utter rat, self-opinionated in one direction, and should never have been allowed near a microphone or camera. It was gobshites like him, Cameron, Osborne, and other 'talking heads' who showed that education does not equal intelligence, that screwed the remain campaign. get over it...!

If ever I read a self-serving post, this was it, Bruce.

As I said above, the article was written by John van Reenen, Professor of Applied Economics at the MIT Sloan School of Management, not me. If you managed to misunderstand the first line of my post it does make me wonder what else you misunderstood.

 

[ToffeeDan]

So, ultimately, it came down to a sizeable proportion of the population's base fears over immigrants. Instead of what the benefits - or otherwise - of remaining/leaving the EU were it was just immigration. The most important thing for some was who was going to be part of the future of this country rather than the direction it took - who we trade with, how we fund our projects etc etc.

 

[Joey66]

I don't claim anything Joey, as I mentioned in my post, whilst I have contributed to the LSE Business Review, I am not John Van Reenen the author of the post.



As I said above, the article was written by John van Reenen, Professor of Applied Economics at the MIT Sloan School of Management, not me. If you managed to misunderstand the first line of my post it does make me wonder what else you misunderstood.

As I said I would rather read a personal quote than some professors theories I could post a counter argument of Google by the professor in Cardiff who says we should sign article 50 now for our economy to flourish in the long !
The theme of that post has been reiterated before look 17 . 5 million people voted out not the reason why on their ballot paper so it's all guess work IMO
It's an insult to democracy when the remain side expected to win clearly lost!
As Gove stated ignore experts!

 

[ToffeeMark]

weird thread, i don't remember the media being biased in favour of leave, quite the opposite. Also every political leader was backing remain, the BBC and Sky, especially Sky's political lead were all pushing remain. Quite a shock to the "System" when leave won.

 

[magicjuan]

weird thread, i don't remember the media being biased in favour of leave, quite the opposite. Also every political leader was backing remain, the BBC and Sky, especially Sky's political lead were all pushing remain. Quite a shock to the "System" when leave won.

The debate was controlled by the media, they brought it down to immigration as the main motive. Once that was at the forefront it became a vote based on fear in the main.
That there was a vote at all, especially just a yes or no option, shows that the real powers weren't arsed one way or the other, they make their money anyway. Strategy and tactics.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

As I said I would rather read a personal quote than some professors theories

I could point you to one of my posts on the LSE site if that'd help, but I feel that might make your head explode

 

[Seanjd]

weird thread, i don't remember the media being biased in favour of leave, quite the opposite. Also every political leader was backing remain, the BBC and Sky, especially Sky's political lead were all pushing remain. Quite a shock to the "System" when leave won.

The newspapers with the largest readerships backed the Leave campaign (The Sun, The Daily Mail/Mail on Sunday, The Telegraph, The Sunday Times). Although some news outlets did back the Remain campaign they tended to be newspapers with a lower circulation (The Guardian), with the Mirror probably being the most popular. The BBC obviously remained impartial.

Murdoch declared Brexit as a 'wonderful thing' which shows which way the majority of his outlets were leaning.

 

[Seanjd]

As Gove stated ignore experts!

Gove, remember him? After trying his best to dismantle this countries education system, I didn't think he could stoop any lower. Then he became a 'leading' figure in the referendum debate and said one of the most stupid things I've ever heard in my life.

Ignore experts. What a pitful lizard of a man.

 

[Seanjd]

The debate was controlled by the media, they brought it down to immigration as the main motive. Once that was at the forefront it became a vote based on fear in the main.
That there was a vote at all, especially just a yes or no option, shows that the real powers weren't arsed one way or the other, they make their money anyway. Strategy and tactics.

It still depresses me that we voted in swathes to essentially support the notions of careerist politicians and controlling media. As if we would have ever had any other choice.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Gove, remember him? After trying his best to dismantle this countries education system, I didn't think he could stoop any lower. Then he became a 'leading' figure in the referendum debate and said one of the most stupid things I've ever heard in my life.

Ignore experts. What a pitful lizard of a man.

Quite ironic really isn't it, that the man previously in control of helping our young people gain expertise, then suggests that we ignore them once they have it.

 

[SNova]

I do love the narrative that leave voters are idiots who have been tricked to vote for pure evil.

It's this sneering attitude which made remain lose.

 

[magicjuan]

I do love the narrative that leave voters are idiots who have been tricked to vote for pure evil.

It's this sneering attitude which made remain lose.

It isn't necessarily that, it is essentially the control of the information and its perception. It isn't difficult to sway opinion if you have an agenda and the means.

I voted leave for democratic reasons. Yet I am painted as some neo con nazi because, as far as I know, 17.5m people voted leave on the basis of immigration, which patently isn't true, but depending on which newspaper (sic) you read that would be the perception. It fits the narrative of the entire country shifting to the right and props up the plans, somewhat psychologically, of the current government. It is a sense of acquiescence, and as far fetched to some it may seem, does smack of 1930s Germany.
All the conditions for a fascist state are actually in place, in this country, right now. As they are across Europe.

The whole continent is shot. I'm actually at a loss as to how to redeem it, short of a bloodless revolution.

 

[Joey66]

I could point you to one of my posts on the LSE site if that'd help, but I feel that might make your head explode

Bruce the 453 page link made my head explodelol