Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce kids leave school in my day it was apprenticeships training on the job day release block week release etc only the really stars in academics got to universities.......
Now it almost the complete reverse hence massive skill shortages - they say the young kids won't do the back breaking Horticultural/ Agricultural work in my day I did and many others did ...
Try getting work on your house by a skilled tradesman you can trust nowadays it's hard to find them......
Hence that's why untill the system is fixed we will always need immigration- alls we are now going to do is set up a work visa stopping free movement as your skill is valued as it is in countries outside the EU e.g. Usa New Zealand Canada etc etc

I've had about a dozen tradesman doing work on my house for 2 months. I'd be happy if they sodded off tbh. I've said what must be a dozen times though, free movement achieves better results than the managed approach you advocate. Why is this evidence over so many years seemingly irrelevant to you?

 

[peteblue]

You can have all of those feelings / opinions simultaneously, they’re not mutually exclusive, it’s therefore a dumb question.

You’d have to wonder about the motives of the person / people who decided to ask it and publish the results in such a pisstaking manner.

Not really, the stages of grief tend to follow a certain path, not always I’ll grant you but usually. I’ve seen this many times while reorganising businesses. Everyone moves at different speeds and react to different situations, but it does tend to happen. Where would you put yourself ?......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Bruce kids leave school in my day it was apprenticeships training on the job day release block week release etc only the really stars in academics got to universities.......
Now it almost the complete reverse hence massive skill shortages - they say the young kids won't do the back breaking Horticultural/ Agricultural work in my day I did and many others did ...
Try getting work on your house by a skilled tradesman you can trust nowadays it's hard to find them......
Hence that's why untill the system is fixed we will always need immigration- alls we are now going to do is set up a work visa stopping free movement as your skill is valued as it is in countries outside the EU e.g. Usa New Zealand Canada etc etc

Yeah so who is going to do the ‘back breaking’ horticultural and agricultural work when the Govt is setting a £25k minimum wage visa requirement?

 

[peteblue]

I've had about a dozen tradesman doing work on my house for 2 months. I'd be happy if they sodded off tbh.

That must be costing a few shillings, especially in London. I do understand wanting to get rid of them though......

 

[Joey66]

I've had about a dozen tradesman doing work on my house for 2 months. I'd be happy if they sodded off tbh.

Exactly in the UK the old City & Guilds 4 year apprentice s are a dying breed - I became a NVQ assessor ......I labeled it Not Very Qualified..

 

[Joey66]

Yeah so who is going to do the ‘back breaking’ horticultural and agricultural work when the Govt is setting a £25k minimum wage visa requirement?

Not for nursing or that sort of work ....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Exactly in the UK the old City & Guilds 4 year apprentice s are a dying breed - I became a NVQ assessor ......I labeled it Not Very Qualified..

I edited my post to include this: I've said what must be a dozen times though, free movement achieves better results than the managed approach you advocate. Why is this evidence over so many years seemingly irrelevant to you?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Not really, the stages of grief tend to follow a certain path, not always I’ll grant you but usually. I’ve seen this many times while reorganising businesses. Everyone moves at different speeds and react to different situations, but it does tend to happen. Where would you put yourself ?......

Merely by using the term ‘stages of grief’ both you and the publishers of that survey are taking the piss.

Trying to compare peoples feelings about Brexit with change management is laughable in its stupidity btw.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That must be costing a few shillings, especially in London. I do understand wanting to get rid of them though......

No idea, we rent our flat, but they're doing a bunch of work on the roof and walls, so are here for about four months I think. Fun working from home with banging and scraping outside the window.

 

[Ruairi77]

Read my post no it's the Uks fault in sending most school leavers to universities.....

ok so that's the UK governments fault...
so what's your problem with free movement of people within the EU?

 

[peteblue]

Merely by using the term ‘stages of grief’ both you and the publishers of that survey are taking the piss.

Trying to compare peoples feelings about Brexit with change management is laughable in its stupidity btw.

Not really, if you begin to understand where you currently are, honestly, it may help you to adapt or understand the situation and move forward. I’ll put you down in the angry stage.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Not for nursing or that sort of work ....

Only we were talking about agricultural workers.

So have another go.

 

[Joey66]

I edited my post to include this: I've said what must be a dozen times though, free movement achieves better results than the managed approach you advocate. Why is this evidence over so many years seemingly irrelevant to you?

Free movement means anyone can come on without a job ......try moving to the big countries outside the EU without a job.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Not really, if you begin to understand where you currently are, honestly, it may help you to adapt or understand the situation and move forward. I’ll put you down in the angry stage.......

Attempting to patronise me is a waste of your energy old boy.

 

[Joey66]

Only we were talking about agricultural workers.

So have another go.

Farming is classed with the nursing ideas