Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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18 hours to go. Out with a whimper. Beginning of the end for us and/ or the EU, or the start of something great for us and/ or the EU.

I really am rather unperturbed about it all. I'd say I was a remainer, not a remoaner, and am more worried about our elected government's ability to manoeuvre us swiftly into a place where we can thrive.
 
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UK travellers to EU face end of free roaming and pet travel from 2021

New government advice confirms extra red tape and expense for British travellers to Europe
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As someone who travels a lot to Europe as part of this 'trading with the world' lark, this is a major ballache. Another Brexit dividend. I can't wait until the good things start to roll in, as right now, it just seems like thing after thing is being taken away that was very useful indeed.
 
Harryflashman said:
As I’ve said several time’s I have my doubts but I genuinely hope it’s a success . I notice the majority of the leavers in the thread currently seem to be suggesting that there will be a degree of ‘downturn ‘ or ‘ hardship’ Before the good time’s roll . Was this a theory proposed by leaver proponents prior to the referendum ? Serious question as I’m not certain , I don’t recall a lot of it but I suppose why would I , but a lot of this seems to be post result realigning of position . To be clear I don’t necessarily mean to sound as I’m accusing individual posters here of that more a general observation of how the overall position seems to have shifted .
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Foot Long Hot Dog said:
It’s amazing how many Brexiters are now trumpeting the idea that they somehow all voted to be poorer, but only for while, well...a period of time they can’t define, but it doesn’t matter, long term it’ll all be gravy apparently. I also don’t remember this being a common theme pre or even post the vote, it’s something that appears to have become a revisionist thing in the last 6 months or so.
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I can only speak for myself personally but this isn't just a theme I picked up recently and ran with. I've been saying this right from the start and I know people like Pete have too in some of his more sensible posts when he's not trying to wind you lot up.

I know there were a lot of lies said during the lead up to the referendum, but there were also a lot of leave supporters speaking sensibly about the potential effects of Brexit (and I'm not talking about a no deal Brexit here), and they were saying that there would be an inevitable immediate turn down in our economy and that it may take a number of years before we start seeing any real benefits. This isn't the slightest bit revisionist, certainly from my perspective.

I voted Brexit because I believed that in the long term it would prove better for the country and the majority of it's inhabitants. Given the way the country has since been so divided, I regret that the referendum took place because I believe this division itself is more harmful to the country than either staying or leaving the EU could be in isolation. If that makes sense.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I can only speak for myself personally but this isn't just a theme I picked up recently and ran with. I've been saying this right from the start and I know people like Pete have too in some of his more sensible posts when he's not trying to wind you lot up.

I know there were a lot of lies said during the lead up to the referendum, but there were also a lot of leave supporters speaking sensibly about the potential effects of Brexit (and I'm not talking about a no deal Brexit here), and they were saying that there would be an inevitable immediate turn down in our economy and that it may take a number of years before we start seeing any real benefits. This isn't the slightest bit revisionist, certainly from my perspective.

I voted Brexit because I believed that in the long term it would prove better for the country and the majority of it's inhabitants. Given the way the country has since been so divided, I regret that the referendum took place because I believe this division itself is more harmful to the country than either staying or leaving the EU could be in isolation. If that makes sense.
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At least you have been consistent in your arguments unlike some...I would argue that a referendum should never have been offered in the first place by slimeball Cameron, running scared from his perceived threat of fuhrage and ukip....you are right about the divisions it has caused, encouraging bigotry and racism. As a country, we are not in a good place at the moment....I cannot see this improving any time soon.
 
Blue 1 said:
Finally thought of a benefit of leaving: We will no longer be represented by that absolute slice, Farage, and the demented Widdecombe.
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His last performance yesterday which should have been his crowning moment, but it was a sad reflection on the UK, no better time for him to show some humility and some of that fabled British magnanimous attitude. All he did was come across a bitter twisted older man, probably sums up Brexit perfectly.
 
peteblue said:
First Step...the important step...this is not about point scoring as you seem to think. This is a major change in our relationship with the Eu. You can deny or dress it up as you will, but we effectively leave the EU legally on Friday Night. A transition period is just that, a period while transitioning fully away from the EU. I watched some of the EU Parliament presentations and apart from the Lib Dem’s, Greens, Labour, SNP and Sinn Fein, the rest of Europe spoke well. It’s just a pity that our own permanent remoaners still don’t get it, still don’t accept the democratic votes and still don’t want to see us succeed......
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Everybody wants us to succeed. It just seems an odd way to go about it to many, not least when many Brexiteers accept there will be short term costs for the benefits of long term "self-determination" - no-one is saying we will save £350 million per week now.

As a pupil barrister I said to my pupil master once that I thought an attraction of the bar was being your own boss. He pointed out that the reality was every solicitor you worked for was yet another boss. There are some parallels to be drawn with what the UK is now embarking on.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I can only speak for myself personally but this isn't just a theme I picked up recently and ran with. I've been saying this right from the start and I know people like Pete have too in some of his more sensible posts when he's not trying to wind you lot up.

I know there were a lot of lies said during the lead up to the referendum, but there were also a lot of leave supporters speaking sensibly about the potential effects of Brexit (and I'm not talking about a no deal Brexit here), and they were saying that there would be an inevitable immediate turn down in our economy and that it may take a number of years before we start seeing any real benefits. This isn't the slightest bit revisionist, certainly from my perspective.

I voted Brexit because I believed that in the long term it would prove better for the country and the majority of it's inhabitants. Given the way the country has since been so divided, I regret that the referendum took place because I believe this division itself is more harmful to the country than either staying or leaving the EU could be in isolation. If that makes sense.
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I wouldn’t suspect you were being revisionist in any way given you seem happy to discuss your opinion and ‘side ‘ on here at length . To me you appear happy to reason or argue your point , unlike some , so your position doesn’t surprise me . I wasn’t specifically talking about posters on here , although some I suspect weren’t mentioning a downturn too frequently back pre-referendum. I was mostly talking about those who campaigned for leave because from my , admittedly failing memory , most Of them were talking about how great it’d be .
 
JammyP said:
Everybody wants us to succeed. It just seems an odd way to go about it to many, not least when many Brexiteers accept there will be short term costs for the benefits of long term "self-determination" - no-one is saying we will save £350 million per week now.

As a pupil barrister I said to my pupil master once that I thought an attraction of the bar was being your own boss. He pointed out that the reality was every solicitor you worked for was yet another boss. There are some parallels to be drawn with what the UK is now embarking on.
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Perhaps. And I hope your career in Starbucks is going well, :) ......
 
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