Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Barnfred 55]

Holding Brexit to account. If Brexiteers don't like it at the crease so to speak, toddle off.

That's fair enough. When I voted out I fully expected a period of downturn as the country got used to doing things differently. And I also expect it will take time for the benefits of being outside the EU to start to take effect. What I don't expect is any ground to be given by Remainers. You have been complaining and crying foul at every piece of bad news since the country voted to leave and I now expect that to get worse if anything. Believe me when I tell you that we are already "used to it" as you say.

If over the next 2/3 years this country regresses whilst others prosper, and there are no signs that being outside of the EU is bringing anything positive in return, then I'll hold my hands up and say I got it wrong.

But you completely disregarded the point I was making. That you actually want the country to perform badly so you will be proved right. You seemed to be celebrating at the thought of us not getting a trade deal with the US. Will you feel the same way if the negotiations with the EU fail too, just so you can be proved right. Even though thousands of people could lose their jobs as a result.

That's what I don't understand.

 

[havrey0123]

We have a £4TR state pension deficit and we need more working age tax payers to help counter the ageing population, and essential pay for their retirement.

The ‘we’re full’ argument is tripe. We need to build more housing, and challenge some of the nimbyism that’s stifled it. What ‘checks’ are you proposing that we don’t already have? People can still enter this country post Brexit as tourists ffs, the idea that the country has somehow been filled with EU murderers is xenophobic nads.

1)make sure families who need houses have the right size house.
2)eradicate homelessness and help them turn themselves around.

Stop all agencies from hiring temporary work unless students or people just looking for temporary work.

You then get the numbers of what skill sets we need/manual workers we need who are fully vetted before they enter the country and make sure they get proper contracts not Agency work and proper paperwork.

This way you know what all the figures are whats needed and what's not.

We need to sort out Britain before we open the borders with an already disjointed country

 

[Barnfred 55]

Nothing like being our own masters

It's called common courtesy.

And last I heard you don't actually say NO to your masters.

 

[dead_soft]

1)make sure families who need houses have the right size house.
2)eradicate homelessness and help them turn themselves around.

Stop all agencies from hiring temporary work unless students or people just looking for temporary work.

You then get the numbers of what skill sets we need/manual workers we need who are fully vetted before they enter the country and make sure they get proper contracts not Agency work and proper paperwork.

This way you know what all the figures are whats needed and what's not.

We need to sort out Britain before we open the borders with an already disjointed country

Big fan of having a simple two point plan where the two points are:
Chuck people out of big houses.
And then either stop all homelessness or kill the homeless. I’m not sure whixh

 

[Jebus_lives]

It's called common courtesy.

And last I heard you don't actually say NO to your masters.

Here's me thinking you had me on ignore...

 

[Joey66]

The same shivers against Breast it will most on every hiccup, and ignore the positives when they happen it will be a topsy turvy ride just like when we joined the common market trade deal in the 1970,s the cost of living shot up....,.but leveled out in time....

 

[havrey0123]

Big fan of having a simple two point plan where the two points are:
Chuck people out of big houses.
And then either stop all homelessness or kill the homeless. I’m not sure whixh

Basic maths, continue building at the rate we are, stem the flow of people coming in, meaning more to offer people in need living in this country.

 

[roydo]

Basic maths, continue building at the rate we are, stem the flow of people coming in, meaning more to offer people in need living in this country.

You do know we have always had the ability to "stem the flow" (not dodgy that, at all), of folk wanting to live in the UK from all but 26 countries on the planet?

 

[Chewbacca]

Basic maths, continue building at the rate we are, stem the flow of people coming in, meaning more to offer people in need living in this country.

If you lower demand then the large building companies that bankroll the Tories will just stop building houses to maintain profits.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Big fan of @havrey0123 ’s manifesto launch. You work in politics i take it mate?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

1)make sure families who need houses have the right size house.
2)eradicate homelessness and help them turn themselves around.

Stop all agencies from hiring temporary work unless students or people just looking for temporary work.

You then get the numbers of what skill sets we need/manual workers we need who are fully vetted before they enter the country and make sure they get proper contracts not Agency work and proper paperwork.

This way you know what all the figures are whats needed and what's not.

We need to sort out Britain before we open the borders with an already disjointed country

How do you process the fact that EU migrants contribute far more per capita to the U.K. treasury that the non EU migrants that already go through the ‘controlled’ immigration process that will shortly apply to all?

The idea that EU immigration has been a massive negative for this country is for the birds.

So now populism has won the day, we’re having our own rights removed i.e. the right to go, live and work freely in 27 other EU countries. People are going to cheer this loss of their own rights on Friday, go figure.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That's fair enough. When I voted out I fully expected a period of downturn as the country got used to doing things differently. And I also expect it will take time for the benefits of being outside the EU to start to take effect. What I don't expect is any ground to be given by Remainers. You have been complaining and crying foul at every piece of bad news since the country voted to leave and I now expect that to get worse if anything. Believe me when I tell you that we are already "used to it" as you say.

If over the next 2/3 years this country regresses whilst others prosper, and there are no signs that being outside of the EU is bringing anything positive in return, then I'll hold my hands up and say I got it wrong.

But you completely disregarded the point I was making. That you actually want the country to perform badly so you will be proved right. You seemed to be celebrating at the thought of us not getting a trade deal with the US. Will you feel the same way if the negotiations with the EU fail too, just so you can be proved right. Even though thousands of people could lose their jobs as a result.

That's what I don't understand.

I think the hardest thing is the lack of any real 'manifesto' to get behind. I don't think anyone is any the wiser about what the post-Brexit world will look like, as all we've had are meaningless platitudes, with the government trying to be as vague as possible, both to avoid having any commitments to actually stick to, and also to be all things to all people.

I mean do YOU know what Brexit will actually mean? What's the strategy? The sad thing is, that it seems most Brexiters are happy enough to just be out, and it was never a case of "we need to be out so that we can do this, that and the other", as not once have any of the people here who voted for Brexit said anything along the lines of "you know what, I really think being out of the EU will allow us to do ....... so much better than we can now, and woe betide the government if they don't deliver it..."

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The same shivers against Breast it will most on every hiccup, and ignore the positives when they happen it will be a topsy turvy ride just like when we joined the common market trade deal in the 1970,s the cost of living shot up....,.but leveled out in time....

Ffs, the thread has gone all Mills & Boon. This is beyond parody now. What an absolute state.

 

[Harryflashman]

As I’ve said several time’s I have my doubts but I genuinely hope it’s a success . I notice the majority of the leavers in the thread currently seem to be suggesting that there will be a degree of ‘downturn ‘ or ‘ hardship’ Before the good time’s roll . Was this a theory proposed by leaver proponents prior to the referendum ? Serious question as I’m not certain , I don’t recall a lot of it but I suppose why would I , but a lot of this seems to be post result realigning of position . To be clear I don’t necessarily mean to sound as I’m accusing individual posters here of that more a general observation of how the overall position seems to have shifted .

 

[Bruce Wayne]

How do you process the fact that EU migrants contribute far more per capita to the U.K. treasury that the non EU migrants that already go through the ‘controlled’ immigration process that will shortly apply to all?

The idea that EU immigration has been a massive negative for this country is for the birds.

So now populism has won the day, we’re having our own rights removed i.e. the right to go, live and work freely in 27 other EU countries. People are going to cheer this loss of their own rights on Friday, go figure.

The sheer simplemindedness of thinking there's a department somewhere in Whitehall with a ledger with 10,000 plumbers, 17,000 nurses etc. on it, and off they pop to Indeed and send out the clarion call. Like such a thing is even remotely feasible, much less a good idea, and from someone who claims to be a liberal and all. Holy smokes.