Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

I think for two reasons.
1. The first one has caused such huge rifts/arguing/name calling within the general population and parliament (see this thread as a perfect example), that a second referendum would send a lot of people over the edge.

and 2. I can’t see how a second one could not include a third option.....Leave - no deal. Otherwise, you are asking those who voted Leave to choose between Remain or ‘The Deal’, which judging by the comments on here since it was announced, is apparently crap.

I’ve already said that I’d be happy to have a vote between the No Deal and New Deal alternatives. I’ll be damned if I can see any reason why Remain should be on any vote, we already did that and it was rejected.......

 

[roydo]

I’ve already said that I’d be happy to have a vote between the No Deal and New Deal alternatives. I’ll be damned if I can see any reason why Remain should be on any vote, we already did that and it was rejected.......

I cant see any point in any more public votes anyrate, no matter what the question is. As you say, and has been evidenced all over the place, folk still have their entrenched views some of which, in my personal opinion, are still a bit stupid.

If this deal gets the backing from the HOC, then thats that, for now. If it doesnt, we extend, and have a GE. Sommet will give hopefully.

 

[tsubaki]

So unless the U.K. looks after Europe war will probably break out somewhere on the continent. I’m pleased at least that you accept what this country has already done for Europe on a number of occasions and is currently doing as part of NATO in Estonia.....

Yes Pete, well done on admitting the truth.

 

[Goat]

I’ve already said that I’d be happy to have a vote between the No Deal and New Deal alternatives. I’ll be damned if I can see any reason why Remain should be on any vote, we already did that and it was rejected.......

People have now had 3 years of seeing the damage Brexit would do.

You claim nobody has changed their mind, at the time of the vote and to this day, I have a firm disinterest in politics, so when the vote came along I think I was busy scouting Eastern Europe on youtube, so couldnt really be bothered to read up and make an informed decision, so I didnt vote.

But after 3 years of learning, reading, seeing the mayhem its caused I would vote remain if we had another vote.

The no voters would vote remain, the leavers who have wised up and realised what a mess it all is would vote remain and it wouldnt even be close next time.

Of course the leavers who voted cos they hate forens will never change their mind, you only have to look at somebody like @Joey66 to see how misinformed these people are.

 

[orly]

Bit worrying how few people (judging by the tweets) seemed to realise we could be in no deal after an implementation period

 

[The binman chronicles]

And what if we still vote to leave. Please don’t tell me that the ultra Remainers either in here or in Parliament will then just accept it. No it will be attacked all over again and every legal and political trick will be rolled out. Until we can be seen to follow through on a vote then voting is discredited......

I think most people on here that are remainers have said if they're silly enough to vote for this deal or no deal then there is nothing we can do but stand and watch.

 

[roydo]

Bit worrying how few people (judging by the tweets) seemed to realise we could be in no deal after an implementation period

I think the assumption, and its certainly my understanding, that this deal allows us to start trade deals with anyone right away, and that obviously will include one with the EU.

And as in any trade deal, one, or both parties can always walk away. I guess its balancing how realistic that actually is.

Or I may be miles off.

 

[orly]

I think the assumption, and its certainly my understanding, that this deal allows us to start trade deals with anyone right away, and that obviously will include one with the EU.

And as in any trade deal, one, or both parties can always walk away. I guess its balancing how realistic that actually is.

Or I may be miles off.

Absolutely. If the deal goes through, we are "out" and have left the EU, and then we enter an implementation period that will feel.... er.... quite like it does today, minus our infrastructure going up the wazhoo. Because much of the status quo will be maintained.

And then if - and it is when in reality - that implementation period is extended to Dece 2022, it's going to be a lot more of the, er, "we are out but actually let's carry on most of our EU arrangements thanks very much".

And then - and this is the hilarious bit that crushes the hopes and dreams of @Joey66 - we could enter into an FEP that.... er... makes it all feel like it does today.

And we'll have spend nearly 6 years and mutlti-£billions getting to that point.

Lol.

Another key thing that is being missed - although you and I responded on it maybe a week ago - is that these extensions are eating into the implementation period, it doesn't scale up from point of exit. So when people are saying "there's clearly not enough time to negotiate an FEP" AND saying "let's extend Art 50 again", it's counter-intuitive.

 

[Blues Harp]

So....if the Ultra Leavers bill is carried in the House tomorrow, when will the "negotiations" to win "better trade deals" with the EU, and other nations start? Monday? October 31st? End of this year? And, if the tories are still in government, (as I acknowledge that they might well be) who from the dazzling array of talented negotiators in their ranks would you want in the front line to act on behalf of our nation(or at least what is left of it). Should be an easily answered question shouldn't it? What about the current T&I secretary who as we all know is Liz Truss? What say you folks?

 

[Joey66]

Absolutely. If the deal goes through, we are "out" and have left the EU, and then we enter an implementation period that will feel.... er.... quite like it does today, minus our infrastructure going up the wazhoo. Because much of the status quo will be maintained.

And then if - and it is when in reality - that implementation period is extended to Dece 2022, it's going to be a lot more of the, er, "we are out but actually let's carry on most of our EU arrangements thanks very much".

And then - and this is the hilarious bit that crushes the hopes and dreams of @Joey66 - we could enter into an FEP that.... er... makes it all feel like it does today.

And we'll have spend nearly 6 years and mutlti-£billions getting to that point.

Lol.

Another key thing that is being missed - although you and I responded on it maybe a week ago - is that these extensions are eating into the implementation period, it doesn't scale up from point of exit. So when people are saying "there's clearly not enough time to negotiate an FEP" AND saying "let's extend Art 50 again", it's counter-intuitive.

I hoped for a deal and it is sad its took that lot 3 years to accept a deal but not as yet as it will be children in the play ground yet again a good old GE would sort this mess out - but Corbyn is FRIT - a majority government of either side could sort this out ......

 

[roydo]

Absolutely. If the deal goes through, we are "out" and have left the EU, and then we enter an implementation period that will feel.... er.... quite like it does today, minus our infrastructure going up the wazhoo. Because much of the status quo will be maintained.

And then if - and it is when in reality - that implementation period is extended to Dece 2022, it's going to be a lot more of the, er, "we are out but actually let's carry on most of our EU arrangements thanks very much".

And then - and this is the hilarious bit that crushes the hopes and dreams of @Joey66 - we could enter into an FEP that.... er... makes it all feel like it does today.

And we'll have spend nearly 6 years and mutlti-£billions getting to that point.

Lol.

Another key thing that is being missed - although you and I responded on it maybe a week ago - is that these extensions are eating into the implementation period, it doesn't scale up from point of exit. So when people are saying "there's clearly not enough time to negotiate an FEP" AND saying "let's extend Art 50 again", it's counter-intuitive.

I am glad my initial thoughts were similar. I have the same feeling about the fudge in NI. Over time, everyone will just ignore the non border in the sea, and carry on as is.

Some border guard will catch the occasional Bulgarian hairdresser coming in from Belfast, but that will be about it.

 

[orly]

I hoped for a deal and it is sad its took that lot 3 years to accept a deal but not as yet as it will be children in the play ground yet again a good old GE would sort this mess out - but Corbyn is FRIT - a majority government of either side could sort this out ......

Like the GE we had in 2017?

 

[Joey66]

People have now had 3 years of seeing the damage Brexit would do.

You claim nobody has changed their mind, at the time of the vote and to this day, I have a firm disinterest in politics, so when the vote came along I think I was busy scouting Eastern Europe on youtube, so couldnt really be bothered to read up and make an informed decision, so I didnt vote.

But after 3 years of learning, reading, seeing the mayhem its caused I would vote remain if we had another vote.

The no voters would vote remain, the leavers who have wised up and realised what a mess it all is would vote remain and it wouldnt even be close next time.

Of course the leavers who voted cos they hate forens will never change their mind, you only have to look at somebody like @Joey66 to see how misinformed these people are.

The three years deal were caused by remoaners like you represented by Alistair Campbell, and Blair and Major FGS.....
Oh and plus the impartial speaker good riddance to him on the 31st GR to that biased bullcrapper...........

 

[Goat]

The three years deal were caused by remoaners like you represented by Alistair Campbell, and Blair and Major FGS.....
Oh and plus the impartial speaker good riddance to him on the 31st GR to that biased bullcrapper...........

I honestly have to squint when I read your posts.

 

[Joey66]

Like the GE we had in 2017?

where 80% of the voters in that GE voted for the two main parties who's Manifestos both stated we would leave the EU.......