Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Ruairi77 said:
Very eloquent Joseph!
So you think, if the UK leave the EU on October 31st, by April 31, 2020 you'll have a successful UK economy?
You think the hard border left by a no deal brexit will be solved in six months?

Fortunately for you, there'll be deal with an NI only backstop with a time restraint that only NI politicians can extend/end.

Now you, as a country, can move on to your next battle, an independent Scotland and how to avoid a hard border on your island.
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i give you a like as you accept i put that across well - @Kurt on the other hand thinks I did not -case closed you honour....
 
Joey66 said:
i give you a like as you accept i put that across well - @Kurt on the other hand thinks I did not -case closed you honour....
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thanks Joey.
For what it's worth, I do think you copied some of your post but I think a lot of people do that and if it helps get your point across, fine by me.

I'm far more concerned that after three years of absolute incompetence from your government, 3 years of leave promises being debunked, 3 years of the concerns of remainers being played out, you seem more entrenched than ever.

Yes, you have a point about the 17.4m, and you have a point about a trade union v a political union. Leave voters have valid concerns and although I think leaving the EU is a daft idea, I can see why you want to.

What I have a problem with is that you and a lot of others are sacrificing way too much for this to happen. And most of it seems to be fueled by blind nationalism.

I'm just waiting for one leave voter to pipe up and say 'we should revoke article 50, sit down and spend some serious time figuring out how to leave the EU and how that might actually work with minimal disruption to those who want to stay'. When that is worked through, then the politicians can decide whether to put that to the people or proceed based on the 2016 result.

Take some time, think of all the people who voted remain and try to come up with a solution that might also be acceptable to them. (Johnson is not acceptable to them).
 
Ruairi77 said:
thanks Joey.
For what it's worth, I do think you copied some of your post but I think a lot of people do that and if it helps get your point across, fine by me.

I'm far more concerned that after three years of absolute incompetence from your government, 3 years of leave promises being debunked, 3 years of the concerns of remainers being played out, you seem more entrenched than ever.

Yes, you have a point about the 17.4m, and you have a point about a trade union v a political union. Leave voters have valid concerns and although I think leaving the EU is a daft idea, I can see why you want to.

What I have a problem with is that you and a lot of others are sacrificing way too much for this to happen. And most of it seems to be fueled by blind nationalism.

I'm just waiting for one leave voter to pipe up and say 'we should revoke article 50, sit down and spend some serious time figuring out how to leave the EU and how that might actually work with minimal disruption to those who want to stay'. When that is worked through, then the politicians can decide whether to put that to the people or proceed based on the 2016 result.

Take some time, think of all the people who voted remain and try to come up with a solution that might also be acceptable to them. (Johnson is not acceptable to them).
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The sad thing is that Joe and those like him seem not to have even grasped what they were voting for in the first referendum, as 'ever closer union' was a founding principle of the Treaty of Rome, as were the four fundamental freedoms. That he continues to be mistaken after 60 years is not a good advert for his grasp of the subject. That they seem to confuse the ever closer union of 'the people of Europe' whereby decisions are made as local to those people as possible, with the ever closer union of the governments of Europe merely exacerbates his evident confusion.
 
Joey66 said:
I tell you why I wanted to leave - voted initially to have a deal back in the 1970;s after we entered without a choice under Ted Heath as it was a trade deal with about 7 countries our membership was high, but it made sense to have a deal for TRADE only - then came the food mountains - then came a polictical union with two EU parliaments - so I object to the polictical wasteful unelected bureaucrats who run the EU ever since, plus we run a deficit of around 8 billion each year while our trade with the EU diminishes... OK get that the first time we have a later referendum and 17 .4 million voted the same way as me and if we don't get a deal blame the HOC and the EU......
I certainly don't want no deal , but if that happened no doubts after a bumpy road for about 6 months we would succeed as a country with our economy OK......
Also I feel the EU would be back to do a proper fair trade deal later on as they need us ....
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I suspect you didn't look particularly closely at the nature of the agreement in the 1970's, because the EEC was never simply going to be about trade.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The sad thing is that Joe and those like him seem not to have even grasped what they were voting for in the first referendum, as 'ever closer union' was a founding principle of the Treaty of Rome, as were the four fundamental freedoms. That he continues to be mistaken after 60 years is not a good advert for his grasp of the subject. That they seem to confuse the ever closer union of 'the people of Europe' whereby decisions are made as local to those people as possible, with the ever closer union of the governments of Europe merely exacerbates his evident confusion.
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Completely missed this, but it is exactly the same point I just made. Didn't understand it then, and the level of understanding has just declined ever since.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The sad thing is that Joe and those like him seem not to have even grasped what they were voting for in the first referendum, as 'ever closer union' was a founding principle of the Treaty of Rome, as were the four fundamental freedoms. That he continues to be mistaken after 60 years is not a good advert for his grasp of the subject. That they seem to confuse the ever closer union of 'the people of Europe' whereby decisions are made as local to those people as possible, with the ever closer union of the governments of Europe merely exacerbates his evident confusion.
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yup, this is why I think it boils down to blind nationalism.
 
peteblue said:
I see a Bercow has been negotiating with Brussels now. I wonder what authority he has granted himself to do so.....
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Speaking of democracy...

peteblue said:
The genie has been let out of the bottle, if Leave get a decent turnout and remain only just win, then within 10 years we will leave anyway.....
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I see "respect the will of the people" only applies when it goes your way, hm?
 
Ruairi77 said:
Very eloquent Joseph!
So you think, if the UK leave the EU on October 31st, by April 31, 2020 you'll have a successful UK economy?
You think the hard border left by a no deal brexit will be solved in six months?

Fortunately for you, there'll be deal with an NI only backstop with a time restraint that only NI politicians can extend/end.

Now you, as a country, can move on to your next battle, an independent Scotland and how to avoid a hard border on your island.
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if Scotland leave it’ll definitely be a hard border, and a big ditch and fences and a wall......
 
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