Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
Those four fundamental freedoms were not established in the Treaty of Rome, just three of them. Freedom of Movement came with the Maastricht Treaty in 92.....And you accuse others of not understanding.....
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It wasn't established then, but it was always a core objective of the Treaty of Rome. I refer you to Article 3, clause c of the fundamental principles outlined within it:

the abolition, as between Member States, of obstacles to freedom of movement for persons, services and capital;
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JEBUS_LIVES said:
I suspect you didn't look particularly closely at the nature of the agreement in the 1970's, because the EEC was never simply going to be about trade.
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Read what the Government sent to the population in 1975. Every reference to the EU uses the term 'Common Market'. Can't find anything about building an EU Empire. At the time, I voted and always understood that we were voting for continuation of a Common Market. Never had any idea that it would morph into where it is now, with its own Army next on the agenda. Remainers had less idea what they were voting for in the last referendum than Leavers. No manifesto's in the EU, just decisions behind closed doors.
 
Methuselah said:
Read what the Government sent to the population in 1975. Every reference to the EU uses the term 'Common Market'. Can't find anything about building an EU Empire. At the time, I voted and always understood that we were voting for continuation of a Common Market. Never had any idea that it would morph into where it is now, with its own Army next on the agenda. Remainers had less idea what they were voting for in the last referendum than Leavers. No manifesto's in the EU, just decisions behind closed doors.
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So back then you didn't read what you were voting on either?

 
peteblue said:
The internet and google weren’t really available then. We saw whatever we were given....
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Suffice to say, it was before I was born, so I can't vouch for what resources were available, but what I can say is that, if nothing else, the EU are extremely transparent with documentation these days, so pretty much everything is available to read should you be so inclined. There's no real excuse for not understanding how it works if you have the desire to find out.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Suffice to say, it was before I was born, so I can't vouch for what resources were available, but what I can say is that, if nothing else, the EU are extremely transparent with documentation these days, so pretty much everything is available to read should you be so inclined. There's no real excuse for not understanding how it works if you have the desire to find out.
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In the 70’s access to a very limited pre-internet between some universities was available and to the likes of myself with the telecoms development sector. What you know as the Internet didn’t really happen until mid 80’s and even then the computing power available to the general public at an affordable price was limited, as was the data available.....
 
peteblue said:
In the 70’s access to a very limited pre-internet between some universities was available and to the likes of myself with the telecoms development sector. What you know as the Internet didn’t really happen until mid 80’s and even then the computing power available to the general public at an affordable price was limited, as was the data available.....
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Absolutely correct. I vaguely recall the vote, but thats about it.

edit. But where we differ is that you seem to dislike the modern EU, (not a massive fan myself), and seem to think its easy to leave, and ignore the elephant in the room, which is impossible to solve.

In short, where we are aint that bad, at the worst, its a bit annoying at times. I prefer that to the fantasy peddled by the ones with most to gain from the chaos.
 
peteblue said:
In the 70’s access to a very limited pre-internet between some universities was available and to the likes of myself with the telecoms development sector. What you know as the Internet didn’t really happen until mid 80’s and even then the computing power available to the general public at an affordable price was limited, as was the data available.....
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Oh for sure, I wasn't suggesting that the Internet existed anything beyond the basic stuff on Arpanet, and very few will have had a computer even at work, let alone at home. The treaty is relatively short however, so a Cameron'esq leaflet wouldn't have been a tremendous stretch.
 
Methuselah said:
Read what the Government sent to the population in 1975. Every reference to the EU uses the term 'Common Market'. Can't find anything about building an EU Empire. At the time, I voted and always understood that we were voting for continuation of a Common Market. Never had any idea that it would morph into where it is now, with its own Army next on the agenda. Remainers had less idea what they were voting for in the last referendum than Leavers. No manifesto's in the EU, just decisions behind closed doors.
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The important thing here is that this is entirely based upon individual understanding of what you were voting for, which as we have seen in 2016, is somewhat unreliable.
 
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