Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Tubey]

I know. It dawned on me a while ago. Folk have been played like a fiddle by a small group of people from the classic populist textbook.

They cant see it, and if they could, they wouldnt admit it anyrate.

I mean, if you ask yourself "Why do Farage, Banks, Cummings, et al, really want to leave the EU?" the real reasons for us legging it with a No Deal become crystal clear.

I don't get how a person who voted leave who didn't do it because of pure xenophobia, racism or nationalism can look at that post by Leave.EU and not say to themselves "you know, I probably backed the wrong horse here."

 

[roydo]

I don't get how a person who voted leave who didn't do it because of pure xenophobia, racism or nationalism can look at that post by Leave.EU and not say to themselves "you know, I probably backed the wrong horse here."

If you saw that video from a pub in Newcastle you will see why.

Its akin to brainwashing.

 

[Tubey]

If you saw that video from a pub in Newcastle you will see why.

Its akin to brainwashing.

Yeah but they are xenophobes. Typical little Englanders. Mentally deficient people.

I mean 'normal' people who voted for Brexit.

 

[davek]

Agree with that bit mate, can't stand that Paul Mason though.

I like him. If he's on Newsnight or QT he stands out a mile as a clear voice against the elites and against the market. I dont really care if he has a know all delivery, which I can see would get on some people's tits.

 

[Ruairi77]

Not really, many of these EU trade deals are actually with quite small economies. The bigger ones such as Japan, Canada will get rolled over and new free trade deals with the likes of the USA, Australia, NZ, Mercosur et al will follow. We are not as big as the USA, EU, China or Japan, but these apart, the U.K. economy is bigger than every other country in the world, so I’m not quite sure why you think we will be unable to get decent deals....

I didn't say that you wont be able to get decent deals, I just think that any negotiations on trade deals will be framed by how the deal effects the EU. Therefore you're position out of the EU will be weaker. You could well be just as reliant on the EU as you are now but with no voice.
You're voluntarily taking yourselves out of the category with the US, China, India and possibly Japan and put yourselves in with Brazil, Canada, Australia etc.

 

[roydo]

Yeah but they are xenophobes. Typical little Englanders. Mentally deficient people.

I mean 'normal' people who voted for Brexit.

I am afraid they think they are normal. Patriotic as well no doubt. They have little clue what is going on, just that Boris is being bullied by Germany, and they all want "their" brexit. Its mental. Any one of the vague arguments they give for leaving are easily demolished by facts, so they just move onto the next one. They usually end up with British fish.

Oh, Project Fear usually gets an airing as well. See Pete earlier. 90% of the UK population have no links with the EU apparently.

*opens French red to go with Italian pasta*

 

[davek]

hahahaha.....I really hope that this is just some form of joke... does this Pillock not understand that millions of small business owners and one man bands have absolutely no contact with the EU and never will. How will it affect the guys who do my garden, or the lads who clean the windows, or my wife’s shop that has zero contact either through supplies or sales to the EU. The EU is a small part of our economy, and does not affect 90% of our businesses and people. It will not just disappear anyway, because on the day we leave we become the EU’s single biggest trading partner.....talk about project fear......

I dont know where to start with this...in fact, I wont.

 

[Ruairi77]

We will be getting no deals at all if we allow this craven Parliament to keep kneecapping our negotiators....

so as long as that's an option, the best bet is to stay in the EU?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

We will be getting no deals at all if we allow this craven Parliament to keep kneecapping our negotiators....

Not wanting to share that cake Brexiteers promised us, the easiest trade ever to be constructed, eating it all yourselves in la la land.

In the absence of German car manufacturers putting the squeeze on Merkel t make a deal, in the absence of Champagne producers putting the squeeze on Macron et al.

You lot are more than welcome in having a big told you so. Time to grow up and own this mess you lot have created.

Here is one intended for the funny thread...

 

[roydo]

Not wanting to share that cake Brexiteers promised us, the easiest trade ever to be constructed, eating it all yourselves in la la land.

In the absence of German car manufacturers putting the squeeze on Merkel t make a deal, in the absence of Champagne producers putting the squeeze on Macron et al.

You lot are more than welcome in having a big told you so. Time to grow up and own this mess you lot have created.

Here is one intended for the funny thread...View attachment 68331

Just stop it with the facts and the objective reality check.

We had an Empire, we want to take back control, Rule Britannia, Leave means Leave, they need us more than we need them.

 

[Amw79]

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I mean...





Just...

Please just cancel this nonsense and end the embarrassment.

After all the patriotic bluster, and talk of sovereignty, control, and making the country better, imagine my surprise as they resort to throwing insults at foreigners.

Almost like the whole thing has been driven by English nationalism and racism. What a shocker.

 

[thirdmantackle]

We will be getting no deals at all if we allow this craven Parliament to keep kneecapping our negotiators....

What negotiations?

The EU have repeatedly said that the UK hasn't been negotiating
They just keep throwing ideas at the EU in the hope something sticks or to give the impression of an negotiation

HMG already did the negotiating under May

 

[Amw79]

Not wanting to share that cake Brexiteers promised us, the easiest trade ever to be constructed, eating it all yourselves in la la land.

In the absence of German car manufacturers putting the squeeze on Merkel t make a deal, in the absence of Champagne producers putting the squeeze on Macron et al.

You lot are more than welcome in having a big told you so. Time to grow up and own this mess you lot have created.

Here is one intended for the funny thread...View attachment 68331

This reminded me of the Bill Hicks line when people talked up the Iraqi army during the gulf war.

 

[Pudsey]

After all the patriotic bluster, and talk of sovereignty, control, and making the country better, imagine my surprise as they resort to throwing insults at foreigners.

Almost like the whole thing has been driven by English nationalism and racism. What a shocker.

Virtually every "English" person I know, under 60, both in West Yorkshire and home in Birkenhead, voted remain. The only signs of such nationalists are the ugly Robinson ultra minority who stain all four home nations.

 

[roydo]

Virtually every "English" person I know, both in West Yorkshire and home in Birkenhead, voted remain. The only signs of such nationalists are the ugly Robinson ultra ninority who stain all four home nations.

Indeed. Similar to my experience. But the nuance is that millions of non racist, non ultra right wing folk, had their collective buttons pressed by folk who are either both, or stand to gain massively from leaving with no deal.