Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Xizor said:
Yeah, this is my worry, that the lines have been redrawn so much that a Hard Tory Brexit (as Labour put it) is now being seen as some sort of safety net. It's a Hard Brexit, which is still damaging. No-deal is its own beast.
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Well, leaving on any deal will be damaging in the short to medium term... Just (hopefully) less of a disaster than cliff-edge Brexit. I'm rapidly coming the conclusion that both major parties in the UK deserve to die out. May was ineffectual, weak and indecisive but I respect her for accepting the mandate of delivering something she found personally unappealing. The rest (on both sides) are either cowards or ideologically driven maniacs.
 
Charlie Sweet said:
@peteblue remind me how many times you told us your Tory government wouldn't put up a border?

Your thoughts on this one?
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Once again the attack line is 'out of date info', 'not the current line of thinking' etc. You know, just like they've said before about Yellowhammer etc, which was then shown to be a total lie.

But the Leave side is apparently full of thick morons eager to lap this stuff up, so no doubt it'll give them a further couple of points lead in the polls somehow.
 
peteblue said:
It means starting again. Working out our own problems. Developing our own relationships and trade. Doing whatever it is that we want. Being independent. What more do you want from life......
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This is the Brexit problem in a nutshell.

3 and a half years after the vote, and when asked what leave means it’s vague abstracts like “starting again”, “doing whatever it is that we want”.

“Brexit means Brexit”. “Leave means leave”. “A red, white and blue Brexit”.

No detail. Nothing specific. Nothing tangible.

It’s the perfect empty box concept, allowing different people to put whatever different grievances they have inside it.

Sadly, we will soon open the box, and people will realise that they’ve been conned. The box is empty. Their grievances aren’t addressed. The problems they thought would be solved are still there.
 
Xizor said:
Once again the attack line is 'out of date info', 'not the current line of thinking' etc. You know, just like they've said before about Yellowhammer etc, which was then shown to be a total lie.

But the Leave side is apparently full of thick morons eager to lap this stuff up, so no doubt it'll give them a further couple of points lead in the polls somehow.
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What Johnson, Cummings and all his coterie of clowns are doing is repeating nonsense about 'lots of different ways of sorting the border problem' and saying that this will all work if the EU and Ireland 'show goodwill', the implication being that when it all goes nipples north it would be the fault of the EU and Ireland. Their tactics are to conceal their plans until the last possible days, and to try to railroad the EU and Ireland into a deal with dire warnings about the consequences if the proposals are rejected, as they surely will be in their present form. They think that they can bully the EU by stirring things up, but the EU don't play games and haven't done whilst a variety of not fit for purpose ministers (May, Davis, Raab, Johnson et al) have gone in to negotiate and been thrown out through the revolving doors. Now that Johnson is the PM (and is yet to win a vote in Parliament), the EU can barely conceal their contempt for our negotiators. If this PM had any integrity he would have resigned on any one of about eight occasions since assuming (and making a laughing stock of) the highest office in the land. Alas, he has no integrity and is now raising the stakes at every opportunity regarding Brexit.

Comfortably the worst Prime Minister in the last 100 years.
 
Emlynsqueakyvoice said:
Comfortably the worst Prime Minister in the last 100 years.
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I'm prepared to see how the endgame pans out before I make that call. But in terms of incompetent acts of long term national self harm he's going to be right up there with Home and Chamberlain. In terms of general bufoonery and inability to govern he's already sidled past Callaghan.

He's definitely a contender.
 
Disgruntledgoat said:
I'm prepared to see how the endgame pans out before I make that call. But in terms of incompetent acts of long term national self harm he's going to be right up there with Home and Chamberlain. In terms of general bufoonery and inability to govern he's already sidled past Callaghan.

He's definitely a contender.
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After six weeks.......
 
Emlynsqueakyvoice said:
Comfortably the worst Prime Minister in the last 100 years.
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Yes, I thought Cameron would never be equalled in that regard during what remains of my lifetime.

But he was soon eclipsed by May.

And now this bugger has eclipsed even her.

They are like London buses.

You wait a century for a PM worthy of the accolade of “worst PM in 100 years” then three come in quick succession :(
 
According to today's Times the government will ask the EU to formally rule out any offer of an Article 50 extension as part of the new deal that is supposedly winging its way across the Channel any day now. It's a good job that Johnson et al have built up such a reputation for honesty, competence and dependability, otherwise the EU might be minded to refuse.
 
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