Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Erm… To not have to start again and enjoy the benefits of the current trade deals and relationships we have. And that we have had whilst still, mysteriously, being independent?

The very language Javid was using this morning betrays how life would be under the Tories. He was speaking about sharing their current plans as the worst possible negotiating strategy, which does kinda suggest that rather than the cooperative relationship we enjoy with Europe today, their future would see us in a confrontational, zero-sum relationship.
 
The very language Javid was using this morning betrays how life would be under the Tories. He was speaking about sharing their current plans as the worst possible negotiating strategy, which does kinda suggest that rather than the cooperative relationship we enjoy with Europe today, their future would see us in a confrontational, zero-sum relationship.


Well yes. The EU is not going to respond to a rising tide of nationalism within it's member states by playing nice with a country that does leave.

He was also hinting at tax cuts AND spending increases in the event of a No Deal Brexit. Surely nobody is dumb enough to think that, even if that is possible short term, the yields he would have to pay on the bonds issued to pay for it would make QE in 2008, in the greatest period of political, social and economic uncertainy since WW2, look like pocket change
 
The very language Javid was using this morning betrays how life would be under the Tories. He was speaking about sharing their current plans as the worst possible negotiating strategy, which does kinda suggest that rather than the cooperative relationship we enjoy with Europe today, their future would see us in a confrontational, zero-sum relationship.
They haven’t got any plans that’ll stand up to even the vaguest scrutiny and they know it.

They’re merely putting off the inevitable moment when they share them with the EU and get laughed out of town.
 
Well yes. The EU is not going to respond to a rising tide of nationalism within it's member states by playing nice with a country that does leave.

He was also hinting at tax cuts AND spending increases in the event of a No Deal Brexit. Surely nobody is dumb enough to think that, even if that is possible short term, the yields he would have to pay on the bonds issued to pay for it would make QE in 2008, in the greatest period of political, social and economic uncertainy since WW2, look like pocket change

I don't know about that tbh.
 
That's not very good for Labour. If you look carefully, the areas they score well in are emotive, simple questions - "fairness", "heart in right place" and so on. In short, that's clearly the young vote. 2017 saw a 25 year high in the young vote, an increase of 16% on 2016 as they were enthused by Corbyn. And they still lost.

Here's your problem - with a leader not being decisive on Brexit, Labour will lose a portion of those votes to a resurgent Lib Dems who have a clear message.

Whereas in terms of practicality - "make decisions", "right priorities", "competent" - as in the things people actually vote for above the age of around 25-30 - they get thrashed. Yes, the Brexit Party may take some votes from the Tories, but with Johnson being so definitive on Brexit now, he'll just argue that Farage is aiming to do just what he's doing now and will face the same legal issues in parliament as he does, and a vote for Farage takes away the chances of the Tories - an established party - getting a majority and delivering Brexit. Which is actually completely true.

What it does demonstrate plainly is that we need a second referendum to sort out Brexit before a General Election, because the poll is 100% right in that regard - people want a GE to be about much more than Brexit. Whatever way a referendum went, a Labour government would be infinitely more likely if Brexit was resolved first, as they are terribly weak on that subject due to the ambiguity of Corbyn's position and his general unwillingness to lead an overtly remain party as a closet Brexiteer.
Point being made though was that an individual thinking for his/herself and their family, issues other than Brexit are uppermost in their minds...even now in the teeth of Brexitmania. During the election campaign those figures will increase even more with issues other than Brexit dominating and concentrating people's minds.

No one wants 5 years of Tory BS on 'ending austerity'...and certainly no one wants 5 years of Johnson.

It bears out my suspicions on this: there is a silent majority out there looking to avoid the material consequences of an over the cliff Brexit and that the Tories will be punished badly on even Brexit...never mind other issues where Labour are much more trusted like the NHS and low pay.

Again I stress: this election is about the next 5 years. When voters have that horrorific possibility of 5 years of Johnson and his buffoonery and divisiveness hammered into them sufficiently the Tories are in trouble.
 
Point being made though was that an individual thinking for his/herself and their family, issues other than Brexit are uppermost in their minds...even now in the teeth of Brexitmania. During the election campaign those figures will increase even more with issues other than Brexit dominating and concentrating people's minds.

No one wants 5 years of Tory BS on 'ending austerity'...and certainly no one wants 5 years of Johnson.

It bears out my suspicions on this: there is a silent majority out there looking to avoid the material consequences of an over the cliff Brexit and that the Tories will be punished badly on even Brexit...never mind other issues where Labour are much more trusted like the NHS and low pay.

Again I stress: this election is about the next 5 years. When voters have that horrorific possibility of 5 years of Johnson and his buffoonery and divisiveness hammered into them sufficiently the Tories are in trouble.

I have a feeling you're very wrong about this, because those options will be set against '5 years of Corbyn'.

We'll see. Unfortunately. I'd much rather be confident of the Tories being obliterated by a sensible Labour, but we don't have that.
 
I have a feeling you're very wrong about this, because those options will be set against '5 years of Corbyn'.

We'll see. Unfortunately. I'd much rather be confident of the Tories being obliterated by a sensible Labour, but we don't have that.
We will see, yes.
 
It actually means chucking 759 trade related treaties in the skip, and losing our right as citizens, to live and work freely in 27 other countries.

All because people have been groomed into believing that an organisation that we were a key and leading member of, was somehow working against our best interests, and that they inflicted laws on us that we had no say in. We want to take back control of never lost Sovereignty and rid ourselves of laws that we objected to, that no one can name.

The whole thing is an utter nonsense, driven by baby boomers & xenophobia.
Amen. This is how Brexit shall be written about in the history books.
 
The very language Javid was using this morning betrays how life would be under the Tories. He was speaking about sharing their current plans as the worst possible negotiating strategy, which does kinda suggest that rather than the cooperative relationship we enjoy with Europe today, their future would see us in a confrontational, zero-sum relationship.

Javid is absolutely terrible. Spineless
 
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