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[Jebus_lives]

God save the Queen

This, in essence, is a question about how you stop an autocrat in the UK.

 

[roydo]

This, in essence, is a question about how you stop an autocrat in the UK.

If the google search engine gizmo is remotely accurate, I like many many others searched for "Can the queen sack the PM" today, in my case, to see if she actually can.

The sheer fact that it is even being discussed, and has obviously been leaked from the palace, must surely make some supporters of this clown (The PM that is) blink and think a bit deeper than "We won, we want our brexit".

That said, I wont hold my breath.

 

[Jebus_lives]

If the google search engine gizmo is remotely accurate, I like many many others searched for "Can the queen sack the PM" today, in my case, to see if she actually can.

The sheer fact that it is even being discussed, and has obviously been leaked from the palace, must surely make some supporters of this clown (The PM that is) blink and think a bit deeper than "We won, we want our brexit".

That said, I wont hold my breath.

I'd be interested in the thoughts of our resident Leave voters on what they would like to happen if he ignores the Benn Act and the Queen dismisses him?

 

[roydo]

I'd be interested in the thoughts of our resident Leave voters on what they would like to happen if he ignores the Benn Act and the Queen dismisses him?

Havnt a clue. Like, IF she did, what happens then? The "experts" in my google search couldnt agree, which as it has never happened (apparently), is hardly surprising.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Havnt a clue. Like, IF she did, what happens then? The "experts" in my google search couldnt agree, which as it has never happened (apparently), is hardly surprising.

There's plenty of theory and past example of this happening, but the theory is very different to the practice.

 

[JammyP]

This, in essence, is a question about how you stop an autocrat in the UK.

If only we could think of a way to bring back sovereignty to parliament....

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Is Johnson taking the piss ??? Alternative to the backstop ?? Really ??

UK proposes customs posts on both sides of border in bid to replace backstop

'The UK has proposed the creation of a string of customs posts along both sides of the Irish border as part of its effort to replace the backstop, RTÉ News understands. The ideas, which would be highly controversial, are contained in proposals sent from London to the European Union - extracts of which have been seen by RTÉ News. The proposals would effectively mean customs posts being erected on both sides of the border, but located perhaps five to ten miles 'back' from the actual land frontier. This is because under British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, the UK is insisting that Northern Ireland remain completely outside the EU’s customs union for industrial goods and agri-food products.

Even more controversial is a proposal that the goods moving from a so-called "customs clearance site" on the northern side of the border to a similar site on the southern side would be monitored in real time using GPS via mobile phone data, or tracking devices placed on trucks or vans.
The ideas are contained in one of four so-called 'non-papers' submitted by UK officials during recent technical discussions in Brussels.
Under the British proposals, both the UK and EU would create what are believed to be called "customs clearance sites", but to all intents and purposes a customs post.'

.......so effectively the installation of a hard border on both sides is Johnson's "alternative" to the backstop. Whatever happened to the lie that "the UK will have no border checks ?? "

This has already been laughed out of town by the opposition parties as it shortly will be by the government and the EU.

Proof it was ever needed that Johnson has been bluffing about wanting a deal and trying his utmost to enforce a hard Brexit. What a cad.

@peteblue remind me how many times you told us your Tory government wouldn't put up a border?

Your thoughts on this one?

 

[hktoffee]

So BJ will force through a no deal Brexit at any cost? Anyone can enlighten me on this please, thanks.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

So BJ will force through a no deal Brexit at any cost? Anyone can enlighten me on this please, thanks.

He can't.

He can try... but then he would be breaking the law and prosecuted as such. He now has four options. Make a deal (can't), go to jail (won't), ask for an extension (won't), call an election (most likely, given his repeated attempts to goad labour into no-confidencing him).

It's a delicious irony that he's killed Brexit by refusing to accept May's original deal, which is still the only show in town as far as leaving goes.

 

[hktoffee]

He can't.

He can try... but then he would be breaking the law and prosecuted as such. He now has four options. Make a deal (can't), go to jail (won't), ask for an extension (won't), call an election (most likely, given his repeated attempts to goad labour into no-confidencing him).

It's a delicious irony that he's killed Brexit by refusing to accept May's original deal, which is still the only show in town as far as leaving goes.

Thanks mate, will like this post as soon as I am out of jail as the function has been taken away.

So do you think a hard brexit is unlikely, say after an election?

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Thanks mate, will like this post as soon as I am out of jail as the function has been taken away.

So do you think a hard brexit is unlikely, say after an election?

Hard Brexit is now illegal unless authorised by a vote in Parliament. Which it won't be by the current Parliament. The same act states that if a deal is not agreed with the EU and passed in Parliament by 19th of October (or no deal is endorsed by Parliament) the PM must seek a further extension of article 50 from the EU.

He's basically overextended himself. A hard Brexit is impossible to deliver currently (sacking 21 of your MPs probably doesn't help in this regard either).

IMO we are headed for an election (Boris will either have to call it himself or resign in disgrace after failing to suspend Parliament a second time)… Where that will go, I couldn't say, but it will be ugly. Then, who knows?

My gut instinct since 2016, however, has been that Brexit is pretty much unwanted by most of parliament and undeliverable by those who do. I don't think it's going to happen.

 

[Xizor]

Hard Brexit is now illegal...

Just a quick reminder that by the definitions being discussed in 2016/7, May's deal is very much a Hard Brexit. 'Soft' Brexit meant ongoing alignment/membership with the SM/CU.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Just a quick reminder that by the definitions being discussed in 2016/7, May's deal is very much a Hard Brexit. 'Soft' Brexit meant ongoing alignment/membership with the SM/CU.

To define my terms... When I say hard Brexit I mean "no deal" Brexit.

May's deal is the softest landing we can expect, should we leave. Thank the gods I'm getting my second passport on the 21st.

 

[hktoffee]

Hard Brexit is now illegal unless authorised by a vote in Parliament. Which it won't be by the current Parliament. The same act states that if a deal is not agreed with the EU and passed in Parliament by 19th of October (or no deal is endorsed by Parliament) the PM must seek a further extension of article 50 from the EU.

He's basically overextended himself. A hard Brexit is impossible to deliver currently (sacking 21 of your MPs probably doesn't help in this regard either).

IMO we are headed for an election (Boris will either have to call it himself or resign in disgrace after failing to suspend Parliament a second time)… Where that will go, I couldn't say, but it will be ugly. Then, who knows?

My gut instinct since 2016, however, has been that Brexit is pretty much unwanted by most of parliament and undeliverable by those who do. I don't think it's going to happen.

Cannot explain this situation any better. Once again, thank you mate.

 

[Xizor]

To define my terms... When I say hard Brexit I mean "no deal" Brexit.

Yeah, this is my worry, that the lines have been redrawn so much that a Hard Tory Brexit (as Labour put it) is now being seen as some sort of safety net. It's a Hard Brexit, which is still damaging. No-deal is its own beast.