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Of course the actual only complication against a Corbyn-led caretaker government is that the Liberal Democrats still value their fever dream of forty seats more than they value putting a decisive end to No Deal Brexit.

The idea that Corbyn as a nominal caretaker PM represents some sort of liability is spurious, as the Lib Dems well know, because should Corbyn so much as hint at a whisper of attempting anything non-Brexit-related, they will vote him down before the first word passes his lips.

What they fear, more than No Deal Brexit, is the certainty that the sky will not immediately fall should Corbyn become a nominal coalition-backed PM, and that he'll capably manage the transition to an election - all of which undermines what has become the central premise of their continued existence.

The Lib Dems won't be enough on their own to put this into play. It would need the 21 former Tories to back it. It would need Labour Brexiters like Kate Hoey to back it. It would need those who explicitly left the Labour party because of Corbyn to back it.

Everyone except Corbynites know how unpopular he is, and it's sad that they can't see that they're just the opposing wing of the Eurosceptic loons who think the sun shines out of Johnson.
 
So have an election.....

I know there's an unhealthy relationship with reality among many leave advocates Pete, but you failed to answer last time, so I'll ask again. If the polls are even remotely accurate, then we would have a hung parliament after any future election. What would another minority government (of whichever stripe) do to help move Brexit forward? How would it be in the slightest bit different to now, when your man has lost every single vote he's put to parliament (making him already the worst prime minister the country has ever had)?
 
Important grown up stuff to do first, like saving the country's future prospects. I know it's not something you particularly care about, but try a little empathy for once.

Important grown up stuff. There’s more grown up stuff taking place in any infant school playground.....
 
I know there's an unhealthy relationship with reality among many leave advocates Pete, but you failed to answer last time, so I'll ask again. If the polls are even remotely accurate, then we would have a hung parliament after any future election. What would another minority government (of whichever stripe) do to help move Brexit forward? How would it be in the slightest bit different to now, when your man has lost every single vote he's put to parliament (making him already the worst prime minister the country has ever had)?

Bruce, how many times have the polls been correct. Of course he’s lost every vote, it’s all Brexit related and there’s 2/3rds of Parliament who are remainers.....personally I believe that Boris would beat Corbyn substantially, and I would wager that Corbyn believes that as well.......
 
The Lib Dems won't be enough on their own to put this into play. It would need the 21 former Tories to back it. It would need Labour Brexiters like Kate Hoey to back it. It would need those who explicitly left the Labour party because of Corbyn to back it.

Everyone except Corbynites know how unpopular he is, and it's sad that they can't see that they're just the opposing wing of the Eurosceptic loons who think the sun shines out of Johnson.

It's true that I singled out the Liberal Democrats unfairly (mostly because their hypocrisy in professing to oppose Brexit at any cost is easily the most egregious).

But you're still applying the same spurious logic I described earlier.

Pretending that Corbyn can't be trusted as a strictly nominal PM in a temporary caretaker government is transparent rubbish, because no matter how unpopular or extreme he may be, the other coalition members can (and would) depose him should he so much as wink at executive action, save secuing the extension and the election.

The only possible objection to observing hundreds of years of protocol (and the actual objection of the Liberal Democrats and the rest of the heap, many of whom have already fled their constituencies to escape certain defeat to Labour) is that Corbyn will probably secure the extension and the election quite capably, and look compotent and authoritative on television while he's at it.

And the fact that your Liberals (and, yes, the rest of them) won't risk even a fortnite of Corbyn's face above the 'Prime Minister' caption each night on the news suggests they know his prospects with the public are actually far stronger than you'd prefer.
 
Lets be honest, the only complication to having an independent leader, such as Clarke or Harmon, is Corbyn and his ego. If he put himself to one side then it would be very straightforward.
Think its more it will burst the tories 'dangerous if he ever gets in power' balloon. Him being PM even for a month where he acts as a statesman as his only job is to pass the extension and call an election nothing more, will destroy the image and rhetoric they've ramped up since 2017.
Also the Leader of the Opposition should always be first in line regardless of popularity polls, if you doesn't get enough votes then fair enough I'm sure he'd step aside for someone else to command the house, as temporarily stopping no deal is more important.
 
Bruce, how many times have the polls been correct. Of course he’s lost every vote, it’s all Brexit related and there’s 2/3rds of Parliament who are remainers.....personally I believe that Boris would beat Corbyn substantially, and I would wager that Corbyn believes that as well.......

Pete, it may have escaped your attention, but we had an election in 2017 (after the Brexit vote), so they're the politicians the country voted for.
 
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