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[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Am I the only who’s beyond bored of hearing about 17.4M & the ‘will of the people’ being frustrated by remoaners?

You see I don’t quite get it. As we’d have left the EU in March had the ERG voted with their own Govt and backed the WA, yet I don’t see these people being accused of ‘blocking the will of 17.4M people’. A WA, that in one of the 3 votes saw both of the co chairs of the vote leave campaign - Gove and Johnson, enter different lobbies........

Yet now we see MP’s who’ve blocked a no deal outcome being labelled as traitors who’ve trampled all over the ‘will of 17.4M people’.

Both scenarios blocked a form of Brexit, yet only one seems to draw the wrath of the ‘just Leave’ herd.

So therefore I am left to conclude that the former wasn’t ‘the will of all of the 17.4M people’ and yet I’m being asked to believe that the latter somehow is......as by using the 17.4M that assumes that they all voted for the same thing, and they quite clearly and demonstrably didn’t.

It needs calling out, it’s not only an incredibly tired cliche now, it’s also demonstrably untrue.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Am I the only who’s beyond bored of hearing about 17.4M & the ‘will of the people’ being frustrated by remoaners?

You see I don’t quite get it. As we’d have left the EU in March had the ERG voted with their own Govt and backed the WA, yet I don’t see these people being accused of ‘blocking the will of 17.4M people’. A WA, that in one of the 3 votes saw both of the co chairs of the vote leave campaign - Gove and Johnson, enter different lobbies........

Yet now we see MP’s who’ve blocked a no deal outcome being labelled as traitors who’ve trampled all over the ‘will of 17.4M people’.

Both scenarios blocked a form of Brexit, yet only one seems to draw the wrath of the ‘just Leave’ herd.

So therefore I am left to conclude that the former wasn’t ‘the will of all of the 17.4M people’ and yet I’m being asked to believe that the latter somehow is......as by using the 17.4M that assumes that they all voted for the same thing, and they quite clearly and demonstrably didn’t.

It needs calling out, it’s not only an incredibly tired cliche now, it’s also demonstrably untrue.

Lets be honest, if the last few years have shown anything, it's that many among those 17.4 million simply parrot whatever lines they're told to parrot. On one hand it's an impressive display of mental gymnastics, but it does rather betray the notion that people knew what they were voting for as they've flip flopped so much on what they expect Brexit to mean that they clearly have no 'red lines' in their own minds.

 

[davek]

Interesting thread from Robert Peston on his Twitter account concerning the Tory wheeze of finding a loophole around the application of the Benn Act...the SNP now accepting a VONC and installing Corbyn as PM for a short period being the only sure fire way of avoiding any such sidelining of the Benn Act:

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Interesting thread from Robert Peston on his Twitter account concerning the Tory wheeze of finding a loophole around the application of the Benn Act...the SNP now accepting a VONC and installing Corbyn as PM for a short period being the only sure fire way of avoiding any such sidelining of the Benn Act:

Lets be honest, the only complication to having an independent leader, such as Clarke or Harmon, is Corbyn and his ego. If he put himself to one side then it would be very straightforward.

 

[davek]

Lets be honest, the only complication to having an independent leader, such as Clarke or Harmon, is Corbyn and his ego. If he put himself to one side then it would be very straightforward.

First of all, it's not about ego, it's about protocol, as you well know.

Second, if you think Corbyn would be too much for some to contemplate, just Imagine how some Labour MPs would feel about having a Tory like Clarke in charge of a Cabinet for weeks. No matter how "wet" he is portrayed as, he's a Tory who's been their enemey for decades. And Hodge or Harmon who have stabbed their leader in the back so many times.

There's a sequence of events that kicks in with a VONC under these circumstances. Swinson was someone who enthusiastically threw herself forward to be a Minister of the austerity coalition government, but cant fall in behind a coalition to get Johnson out. Laughable...which is what she is - another LibDem phoney. If she's that concerned about a No Deal then she'd get the LDs in line on this.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

I see Parliament has voted to forbid a 3-day recess for the Tory conference (after incidentally, Cummings had instructed the Tories to upstage the LD and Labour conferences in any way possible). What goes around...

The Tories will still have their conference, they aren't missing much at Westminster are they, Parliament recalled and all they want to do is shout at Boris.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Interesting thread from Robert Peston on his Twitter account concerning the Tory wheeze of finding a loophole around the application of the Benn Act...the SNP now accepting a VONC and installing Corbyn as PM for a short period being the only sure fire way of avoiding any such sidelining of the Benn Act:

100% they have found a loophole such is the confidence Johnson shows about leaving on the 31st, the remainers are panicking bigtime, they know something is afoot.

 

[neil999]

100% they have found a loophole such is the confidence Johnson shows about leaving on the 31st, the remainers are panicking bigtime, they know something is afoot.

doesnt tally with them being absolutely desperate for a gen election

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Interesting thread from Robert Peston on his Twitter account concerning the Tory wheeze of finding a loophole around the application of the Benn Act...the SNP now accepting a VONC and installing Corbyn as PM for a short period being the only sure fire way of avoiding any such sidelining of the Benn Act:

They’d need to be 100% sure that all of the opposition parties would fall into line before pressing the trigger, otherwise that could end up being a spectacular OG.

 

[davek]

They’d need to be 100% sure that all of the opposition parties would fall into line before pressing the trigger, otherwise that could end up being a spectacular OG.

Of course, and if a VONC was triggered the outcome would be known in advance.

That twitter thread now in article form....

Exclusive: SNP set to back Corbyn as caretaker Prime Minister | ITV News

The Scottish National Party has come round to the idea that Jeremy Corbyn may shortly have to become temporary caretaker prime minister. | ITV National News

www.itv.com

 

[Jebus_lives]

doesnt tally with them being absolutely desperate for a gen election

Or the increasing antagonism and goading from their MPs and commentators. They're getting desperate.

 

[abelard]

Of course the actual only complication against a Corbyn-led caretaker government is that the Liberal Democrats still value their fever dream of forty seats more than they value putting a decisive end to No Deal Brexit.

The idea that Corbyn as a nominal caretaker PM represents some sort of liability is spurious, as the Lib Dems well know, because should Corbyn so much as hint at a whisper of attempting anything non-Brexit-related, they will vote him down before the first word passes his lips.

What they fear, more than No Deal Brexit, is the certainty that the sky will not immediately fall should Corbyn become a nominal coalition-backed PM, and that he'll capably manage the transition to an election - all of which undermines what has become the central premise of their continued existence.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Am I the only who’s beyond bored of hearing about 17.4M & the ‘will of the people’ being frustrated by remoaners?

You see I don’t quite get it. As we’d have left the EU in March had the ERG voted with their own Govt and backed the WA, yet I don’t see these people being accused of ‘blocking the will of 17.4M people’. A WA, that in one of the 3 votes saw both of the co chairs of the vote leave campaign - Gove and Johnson, enter different lobbies........

Yet now we see MP’s who’ve blocked a no deal outcome being labelled as traitors who’ve trampled all over the ‘will of 17.4M people’.

Both scenarios blocked a form of Brexit, yet only one seems to draw the wrath of the ‘just Leave’ herd.

So therefore I am left to conclude that the former wasn’t ‘the will of all of the 17.4M people’ and yet I’m being asked to believe that the latter somehow is......as by using the 17.4M that assumes that they all voted for the same thing, and they quite clearly and demonstrably didn’t.

It needs calling out, it’s not only an incredibly tired cliche now, it’s also demonstrably untrue.

Couldn't agree more.

I'd add to this all the scaremonering about risking democracy being torn apart and riots on the streets etc.

Really? Mr and Mrs Gammon from Essex or a few rabid deanderthals from Wolverhampton? Aside from remnants of the BNP etc who I'd love to see beaten up with a few trunchons I really think it's just hot air. No way 99% of them will risk police records.

 

[davek]

Of course the actual only complication against a Corbyn-led caretaker government is that the Liberal Democrats still value their fever dream of forty seats more than they value putting a decisive end to No Deal Brexit.

This.

 

[davek]

Am I the only who’s beyond bored of hearing about 17.4M & the ‘will of the people’ being frustrated by remoaners?

You see I don’t quite get it. As we’d have left the EU in March had the ERG voted with their own Govt and backed the WA, yet I don’t see these people being accused of ‘blocking the will of 17.4M people’. A WA, that in one of the 3 votes saw both of the co chairs of the vote leave campaign - Gove and Johnson, enter different lobbies........

Yet now we see MP’s who’ve blocked a no deal outcome being labelled as traitors who’ve trampled all over the ‘will of 17.4M people’.

Both scenarios blocked a form of Brexit, yet only one seems to draw the wrath of the ‘just Leave’ herd.

So therefore I am left to conclude that the former wasn’t ‘the will of all of the 17.4M people’ and yet I’m being asked to believe that the latter somehow is......as by using the 17.4M that assumes that they all voted for the same thing, and they quite clearly and demonstrably didn’t.

It needs calling out, it’s not only an incredibly tired cliche now, it’s also demonstrably untrue.

The same people who use the 17.4M incantation are the very same people who are happy that the PM of this country threatening a No Deal that no one voted for was installed by 92,000 Tory Party members.