Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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I haven't met a single migrant where that was the case. They're leaving European countries here, so whilst they may not be as wealthy as parts of Britain, it isn't like they're running away from a shanty town somewhere. As it is, they have 27 other options to go to if they want. They largely come here because we're a good country to better your life in.

Aint for the weather or the traffic, thats for sure.
 
Just outside Chester, there's a large estate called Blacon which has a couple of Nursing Homes situated there.

On two occasions when my uncle needed round the clock nursing, he stayed in them. We got to know some of the carers who happened to be Kenyan and Zambian nationals. They had been recruited by reps out in their countries as care workers & at a rate which is below the minimum wage. They were housed in three ex council houses which had had conversion to four residents each & paid rent to the Nursing Home company.

Slavery? No. The situation did, however, take out three social housing units; helped maintain a poor wage level &, according to one manager, "We never bother advertising here. Brits wouldn't be interested".

Nothing at all to do with penny pinching, of course.

How is this connected with the E U? Well, I have no idea if the same sort of thing happens with eastern Europeans but I do know that local residents see what is happening and are quietly seething about it. I doubt that too many make the distinction between E U and other immigrants. And where resources are scarce, it's poor psychology to appear to allocate them to "outsiders".
 
Could this be the first casualty of uncertain financial events since the vote to leave?

"We deeply regret to announce that the lowcosttravelgroup (“LCTG”) ceased to trade on 15 July 2016, following exhaustive attempts by the group’s directors to rescue the group, which has been hampered by the recent and ongoing turbulent financial environment".
 
How will that control work however if we are to trade with the world? As an example, the current deal being done between Canada and the EU involves far more 'non-tariff' aspects to it than tariff reductions/removal. That basically means things like greater unification of regulations and standards, or as you put it, Canada exerting control over Europe, and vice versa.

This is largely the tip of the iceberg as well. Consider that services make up something like 70% of the UK economy, yet services are largely excluded from not only the EU trade area but also most multi-lateral trade deals around the world. Given the prominent role services play in the modern economy it seems inevitable that these will be slowly included in trade agreements, and indeed the EU are trying to do just that, but it is slow progress because folks (and lobbyists) grumble about sovereignty being taken away by centralised bureaucracies.

Which do you want? Free trade or local control? I'm not sure you can have both.



Who is to say people coming here are slaves though? Even if they are relatively low paid, I suspect the vast majority come here willingly. I personally know quite a few people, for instance, that took low paid work initially whilst they learned the language. All are in decent jobs now, with a good number having taken degrees here to help them do so.

Even a (Czech) builder mate of mine was grumbling the other day that work in the Lake District was only giving him £150 a day, which is a decent whack higher than the average wage, especially outside of London.

Bruce - Bollocks.
 
I replied to that post at 2-30 am this morning in a more constructive way, but your right it is the Bulls testicles that post!lol
Another Google classic on the EU!
As a point any really rich countries asking to join it?

The only countries wanting to join now are those holding their hands out.
 
What really rich countries are left to join?
No mugs around to join the countries in the Eastern block are not Europe, but they have joined or about to join, Turkey down the pipeline maybe!
Put it this way if we were already outside the EU would we be Quinn up to join it in its present state?
A sewer would be a resounding NO!
 
No mugs around to join the countries in the Eastern block are not Europe, but they have joined or about to join, Turkey down the pipeline maybe!
Put it this way if we were already outside the EU would we be Quinn up to join it in its present state?
A sewer would be a resounding NO!

Turkey won't be joining for a while. Interesting evening out there right now...
 
Could this be the first casualty of uncertain financial events since the vote to leave?

"We deeply regret to announce that the lowcosttravelgroup (“LCTG”) ceased to trade on 15 July 2016, following exhaustive attempts by the group’s directors to rescue the group, which has been hampered by the recent and ongoing turbulent financial environment".

I doubt you could put it all down to Brexit. I don't know a great deal about the company but I would imagine they were probably struggling and the devalued pound caused by Brexit has just finished them off. The devalued pound will hit smaller and medium sized business particularly exposed to currency fluctuations in certain industries (travel companies are a good example as has been shown). With bigger companies exposed to these fluctuations, you would assume them to be on the ball and have plenty of FX hedging in place before Brexit happened.

It's definitely unfortunate the people at LCTG have lost their jobs (and the people who will lose their holidays) but the big job losses will come if we can't get access to the single market, that's what the bigger companies are waiting to see as this will massively hit their bottom line (a good example is the Jaguar Land Rover article from the other day). These companies are prepared to wait and find out and have plans in place to withstand the current problems but there will of course be a significant drop off in investment in the UK while they wait to find out. If the situation arises where we are unable to retain access to the single market, I think it would be catastrophic for the economy and this is when the big casualties would come.
 
I doubt you could put it all down to Brexit. I don't know a great deal about the company but I would imagine they were probably struggling and the devalued pound caused by Brexit has just finished them off. The devalued pound will hit smaller and medium sized business particularly exposed to currency fluctuations in certain industries (travel companies are a good example as has been shown). With bigger companies exposed to these fluctuations, you would assume them to be on the ball and have plenty of FX hedging in place before Brexit happened.

It's definitely unfortunate the people at LCTG have lost their jobs (and the people who will lose their holidays) but the big job losses will come if we can't get access to the single market, that's what the bigger companies are waiting to see as this will massively hit their bottom line (a good example is the Jaguar Land Rover article from the other day). These companies are prepared to wait and find out and have plans in place to withstand the current problems but there will of course be a significant drop off in investment in the UK while they wait to find out. If the situation arises where we are unable to retain access to the single market, I think it would be catastrophic for the economy and this is when the big casualties would come.
Shock horror a travel firm goes bust, normal outside Brexit?
 
Shock horror a travel firm goes bust, normal outside Brexit?

It is normal that the value of the pound has a massive effect on travel companies. The devalued pound has been caused by Brexit but on the other hand there will also be companies that do well out of a devalued pound.

The real problem is if we aren't able to retain access to the single market as I said above. There is also of course the problems caused by delayed investment from the uncertainty seen as we wait to find out what our relationship with the EU will be.
 
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