Current Affairs EU In or Out

[bizzaro]

Talking of lies, have you moved to Ireland yet ?.........

Yes mate. Although I'm personally staying in the UK.

Offices have been opened in Dublin and staff hired.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not really. What's worse is when the people who seek to benefit of importing cheap labour call the ones who will lose out racists for not simply going along with it.

I've no doubt it does happen, but of the two million or so EU migrants in the country, I'd say a small proportion are here under those circumstances. Even for those that are, it's the fault of their employer rather than them, and our government already has all the tools to do something about it, but they don't (for any migrant, let alone EU ones).

 

[Joey66]

That's an enormous generalisation though, isn't it?

No not really wait till our wage hits £9.20p per hour have you ever heard the saying charity begins at home, in other words let our youth get a chance of the jobs first no company advertising the jobs outside the UK, back to the gang master employment - I am sorry to say the EU system has advocated this the job market is to competitive forcing wages down for skilled tradesmen its big businesses who benefit from the current EU system hence the lies by them in the Remain campaign - lies were told on both sides of the argument granted , but only the Brexit lies get publicised the Remain Camp fear tactics IMO just carry on in denial that we will leave the EU!

 

[Westland]

I've no doubt it does happen, but of the two million or so EU migrants in the country, I'd say a small proportion are here under those circumstances. Even for those that are, it's the fault of their employer rather than them, and our government already has all the tools to do something about it, but they don't (for any migrant, let alone EU ones).

I fail to see why it's the fault of the employer not the government. The employers job is to hire the best staff at the lowest wage. They aren't running a charity.

It's up to government to stop them from using exploitative practices which given the opportunity they would simply because it's their job to make sure they are as profitable as possible.

The reason why our government aren't doing anything about it is because they are controlled by the people at the top who benefit the most from increasing the profits of the employers i.e. banks, corporate shareholders and top management.

It's not hard to see what is going on.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I fail to see why it's the fault of the employer not the government. The employers job is to hire the best staff at the lowest wage. They aren't running a charity.

It's up to government to stop them from using exploitative practices which given the opportunity they would simply because it's their job to make sure they are as profitable as possible.

The reason why our government aren't doing anything about it is because they are controlled by the people at the top who benefit the most from increasing the profits of the employers i.e. banks, corporate shareholders and top management.

It's not hard to see what is going on.

Lets say that is the case, how does leaving the EU change that? It's in the hands of our own government.

 

[Westland]

Lets say that is the case, how does leaving the EU change that? It's in the hands of our own government.

Very simple. We can't change the executive of the EU. We can only change our government who then appoint one person who is part of the council. This basically makes it very difficult to change the EU through democratic means. The structure of the EU is the problem. It may work if it was setup closer to something like the USA with a directly elected President and Senate (one or two for each country) however I doubt the people of Europe would go for that and there's no way Germany and France would give up that power.

It's far better to take back control from Brussels because we have more control over our politicians.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Very simple. We can't change the executive of the EU. We can only change our government who then appoint one person who is part of the council. This basically makes it very difficult to change the EU through democratic means. The structure of the EU is the problem. It may work if it was setup closer to something like the USA with a directly elected President and Senate (one or two for each country) however I doubt the people of Europe would go for that and there's no way Germany and France would give up that power.

It's far better to take back control from Brussels because we have more control over our politicians.

But the things you mention are nothing to do with the EU. We have a minimum wage, if it's not being enforced then that's in our own hands.

 

[Westland]

But the things you mention are nothing to do with the EU. We have a minimum wage, if it's not being enforced then that's in our own hands.

The minimum wage isn't the answer. All it does is create a floor however skilled plumbers, builders, drivers etc don't earn minimum wage so minimum wage does nothing to prevent their wages being deflated.

Very few jobs used to pay minimum wage - only the worst. It shouldn't be the wage target for all working class people.

 

[Joey66]

But the things you mention are nothing to do with the EU. We have a minimum wage, if it's not being enforced then that's in our own hands.

Not when the vacancies are being advertised below minimum wage only in EU countries when we get our soverighnty back back we can act as Davy and Gideon have had their eyes closed let's hope May is a stickler for playing rules by the book let's see?

 

[Joey66]

Lets say that is the case, how does leaving the EU change that? It's in the hands of our own government.

We eventually can set up our rules not the EU rules also try the free movement - if a migrant is qualified to do a job the thats ok imo as long as its advertised in a UK job centre!

 

[Westland]

We eventually can set up our rules not the EU rules also try the free movement - if a migrant is qualified to do a job the thats ok imo as long as its advertised in a UK job centre!

I actually don't think that is OK. We should only be hiring foreigners when there's a lack of people capable of doing the job. If we have people who are unemployed but capable then it should be filled by local workers.

I'm not quite sure how to manage that but that should be the principle.

I also think local companies are too quick to hire foreign workers instead of training younger people. I don't like that practice either.

Maybe there could be tax penalties for hiring foreign workers and tax breaks for hiring younger staff as trainees.

 

[roydo]

We eventually can set up our rules not the EU rules also try the free movement - if a migrant is qualified to do a job the thats ok imo as long as its advertised in a UK job centre!

You make it sound like every single law made by a UK Government is sound, and every single EU one is awful.

Now I have no idea of your political leanings, but, for the sake of the argument, lets say you are left of centre. And like many on here, loath the Tories.

So, with boundary changes, Scotland SNP dominated, (Probably independent in the viewable future), there is every chance that there could be a long, if not indefinate, period of Tory power.

With no EU influence, which is a Liberal leaning entity in the main, you seriously comfortable not having some checks and balances in place on what a UK Government could do?

 

[Westland]

You make it sound like every single law made by a UK Government is sound, and every single EU one is awful.

Now I have no idea of your political leanings, but, for the sake of the argument, lets say you are left of centre. And like many on here, loath the Tories.

So, with boundary changes, Scotland SNP dominated, (Probably independent in the viewable future), there is every chance that there could be a long, if not indefinate, period of Tory power.

With no EU influence, which is a Liberal leaning entity in the main, you seriously comfortable not having some checks and balances in place on what a UK Government could do?

The Tories look like they may be moving to the left of center.

 

[Joey66]

You make it sound like every single law made by a UK Government is sound, and every single EU one is awful.

Now I have no idea of your political leanings, but, for the sake of the argument, lets say you are left of centre. And like many on here, loath the Tories.

So, with boundary changes, Scotland SNP dominated, (Probably independent in the viewable future), there is every chance that there could be a long, if not indefinate, period of Tory power.

With no EU influence, which is a Liberal leaning entity in the main, you seriously comfortable not having some checks and balances in place on what a UK Government could do?

Yes I want control back, and a correct fair government to implement it been a socialist to the centre all my life conned into voting Tory once - I worked hard to get my break in employment from leaving school never claim unemployment benefit, but my heart does go out to UK youngsters who strive to get on the job ladder also the housing ownership ladder, why because when I left school it was a level playing field for jobs I feel the EU has negated this from our youth of today by big business getting their wish zero hour contracts were never heard of in my time - The Trade Unions have lost the power IMO!

 

[roydo]

The Tories look like they may be moving to the left of center.

This week, yeah.