Thing is, free movement is a very libertarian ideal (being able to claim welfare anywhere less so). Having the state decide who can move where and when isn't very liberal, so I hope you're right on his credentials.
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Thing is, free movement is a very libertarian ideal (being able to claim welfare anywhere less so). Having the state decide who can move where and when isn't very liberal, so I hope you're right on his credentials.
peteblue
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He is currently taking legal action against the government over the Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act (DRIPA).......
What be that?
I am all for JOB movement if the UK needs the individuals under a points skilled system and a solvent bank account - try going to the USA_ Canada - New Zealand - Australia its the norm as it should be its called controlling our borders in a fair manner - it will take time to agree, but we did not join a EU with freedom of movement we joined a trading block of 7 major European countries, now the electorate have won the right to trade worldwide and get our sovereignty back, it was a close vote time will tell!
bobbydigital
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Considered the arguments presented by both sides and evaluated the potential consequences on society as a whole and their likelihood. In my opinion we are better in than out. I'm sure many leavers would of taken a similar strategy but simply came up with a different answer.
As a leave vote came with no defined strategy in regards to how we leave and what our future relationship with the EU is, I think it is fair that the leavers have the opportunity now to define this and prove that they can get a leave agreement and post brexit trade deals that leave the country in a better place.
Most countries don't have a points based system any more. Australia ditched theirs after it emerged that those with the relevant points but no job offer were much more likely to be unemployed six months later than an average Joe coming in with a firm job offer. The government have no idea what skills are required by the country, so I have next to no faith in their ability to have any kind of system to allow in the 'right' people.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
From wiki...
The Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014 (also known as DRIP or DRIPA) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that received Royal Assent on 17 July 2014, after being introduced on 14 July 2014.[1][3] The purpose of the legislation is to allow security services to continue to have access to phone and internet records of individuals following a previous repeal of these rights by the Court of Justice of the European Union.[4] The act was criticised by some Members of Parliament for the speed at which the act was passed through parliament,[4] by some groups (such as the Open Rights Group and Liberty) as being an infringement of privacy[5] and by legal scholars who say it does not strike an appropriate balance among security, privacy and freedom of enterprise.[6]
Following legal action, in July 2015, the High Court issued an order that sections 1 and 2 of the Act were unlawful, and to be disapplied, suspended until 31 March 2016, thereby giving the government a deadline to come up with alternative legislation which is compatible with EU law.[7][8]
OK let's stop jobs being advertised in the EU only and at the UK job centre first - let's see building jobs not being under cut for EU labour, My daughter seen an advert for a full time job advertised 30 hours it was apparent it was only full time for 2 months, and then fell to Zero hours!
All this needs sorting people collectively say the UK people will not do certain types of jobs - I do not believe it!
The competition for jobs is going to the person who accepts the lowest pay, without casual freedoms of movement this would eventually stop, employers in big business love this system - I feel sorry now for any young UK person with such unfair competition where the country of origin £7.30p is a fortune it has to stop for the future generation of our school leavers, it's called a level playing field where businesses have to play by new rules in the future, and OK if certain employment needs immigration then hire under our control!
Eric Djemba-Djemba
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I reckon we'll vote out.
Toffeelover
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Fine, I voted out because I did not want the EU lot dictating any more what we can or cannot do. I wanted back control of our country. The lot are wishing to push for more centralised control. Again they are talking now of a European Defence Force and no doubt we would have been the biggest contributor if forced to join. Such a thing will spell the end of NATO because the USA would pull the plug,
I have very little problem bringing in well paid professionals. I do think there should be like there is in the US a tax hit for each VISA issued so local workers are sourced first but my main problem is bringing in cheap foreign labour.
It's not right for a society to bring in essentially a slave labour class. It is asking for trouble in the long term.
wikofootball
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Considering the forum poll was 69% of people. Who said remain the leavers seem to voicing their opinions the loudest I think this needs readdressing goes to wiki to copy and paste
How will that control work however if we are to trade with the world? As an example, the current deal being done between Canada and the EU involves far more 'non-tariff' aspects to it than tariff reductions/removal. That basically means things like greater unification of regulations and standards, or as you put it, Canada exerting control over Europe, and vice versa.
This is largely the tip of the iceberg as well. Consider that services make up something like 70% of the UK economy, yet services are largely excluded from not only the EU trade area but also most multi-lateral trade deals around the world. Given the prominent role services play in the modern economy it seems inevitable that these will be slowly included in trade agreements, and indeed the EU are trying to do just that, but it is slow progress because folks (and lobbyists) grumble about sovereignty being taken away by centralised bureaucracies.
Which do you want? Free trade or local control? I'm not sure you can have both.
Who is to say people coming here are slaves though? Even if they are relatively low paid, I suspect the vast majority come here willingly. I personally know quite a few people, for instance, that took low paid work initially whilst they learned the language. All are in decent jobs now, with a good number having taken degrees here to help them do so.
Even a (Czech) builder mate of mine was grumbling the other day that work in the Lake District was only giving him £150 a day, which is a decent whack higher than the average wage, especially outside of London.
They are coming here because they have no other option. Maybe slavery is the wrong term but it is still exploitation.
Some do make it up the social ladder but most don't.
I haven't met a single migrant where that was the case. They're leaving European countries here, so whilst they may not be as wealthy as parts of Britain, it isn't like they're running away from a shanty town somewhere. As it is, they have 27 other options to go to if they want. They largely come here because we're a good country to better your life in.
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