Current Affairs EU In or Out

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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
I agree with you about the welfare. I don't believe that people who genuinely come to work here do so with the intent of then taking advantage of our benefits system. They come to work and either stay or to send money back to their families. I have no problem with any of this providing it doesn't undermine UK workers rights.

I also agree that the recruiters are much better placed than anyone in government to decide upon skills required, again, provided that it does not undermine the UK worker or attempt to drive down employment rights.......

It does seem to me however that the UK worker is working against the odds. Many European peoples speak English as a second language, but very few UK workers are fluent in another European language and so it feels that there is no reciprocity in terms of worker movement.....
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I know quite a few overseas citizens who have come to our shores and have adopted a 'British' way of life. They are more angered by those who enter our Isles with no intention of contributing, as it shows ALL immigrants in a bad light
 
peteblue said:
I agree with you about the welfare. I don't believe that people who genuinely come to work here do so with the intent of then taking advantage of our benefits system. They come to work and either stay or to send money back to their families. I have no problem with any of this providing it doesn't undermine UK workers rights.

I also agree that the recruiters are much better placed than anyone in government to decide upon skills required, again, provided that it does not undermine the UK worker or attempt to drive down employment rights.......

It does seem to me however that the UK worker is working against the odds. Many European peoples speak English as a second language, but very few UK workers are fluent in another European language and so it feels that there is no reciprocity in terms of worker movement.....
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Oh for sure, but I wonder if that isn't always going to be the case to an extent. For the record, I'm not talking specifically about British workers here so much the lowly skilled. Globalisation has proved a real challenge for such folks, whether it's migrants coming in or jobs going out. Automation has already affected low-skilled work, and is likely to do so even more in the next decade or so, with jobs like driving and building automated (alongside many skilled jobs too it should be said).

Maybe the genie will be able to be put back into the bottle, but I'm inclined to think that there will always be someone or something that is going to provide you with a real challenge for your job, especially if you don't have much in the way of marketable skills to bring to bare.

I get fully that this is tough, especially for those raised on the job for life myth, and the education system isn't equipped yet to tailor for this constant re-skilling. Some advocate things like a universal income, both to buffer the impact and also provide some breathing space to do that re-training. I'm not sure that's the answer, but I'm equally not sure leaving the EU will be either.

I mean fruit pickers are a regular source of opprobrium, but even if we prevent farmers from hiring EU migrants to do that job, some Cambridge researchers have already built a robot that can do it just as well. As soon as such a thing becomes cost-effective, what then?

Similar devices are being developed in professions from driving to cooking, bricklaying to store work. What will these folks blame in 5/10 years time when their situation isn't any better?
 
The Bulgarian foreign ministry Monday repeated an earlier threat to veto an EU-Canada free trade pact when it comes up for national ratification unless Canada drops visa requirements for Bulgarian nationals. "We consider the conclusion of [the deal] and achievement of full visa reciprocity as a whole process", it said Monday after Bulgaria's deputy foreign minister met with Canada's immigration minister in Brussels in talks organised by the European Commission.
 
German industrial giant Siemens has said it will continue to invest in the UK, despite earlier warnings that a vote to leave the EU could affect its future activities in the country.
Siemens chief executive Joe Kaeser told a number of media organisations that the company remained fully committed to manufacturing in the UK.
The company has 13 plants in the UK and employs about 14,000 people.
Siemens UK had warned investment could be hit if the UK voted to leave the EU.
The engineering and technology giant manufactures and exports high value goods including MRI scanners and gas turbines.
At an event at the House of Commons, Mr Kaeser said the UK continued to matter and be a "good place to do business" whether it was inside or outside the EU.
 
peteblue said:
German industrial giant Siemens has said it will continue to invest in the UK, despite earlier warnings that a vote to leave the EU could affect its future activities in the country.
Siemens chief executive Joe Kaeser told a number of media organisations that the company remained fully committed to manufacturing in the UK.
The company has 13 plants in the UK and employs about 14,000 people.
Siemens UK had warned investment could be hit if the UK voted to leave the EU.
The engineering and technology giant manufactures and exports high value goods including MRI scanners and gas turbines.
At an event at the House of Commons, Mr Kaeser said the UK continued to matter and be a "good place to do business" whether it was inside or outside the EU.
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They were never gonna go anywhere while they're in full control of the maintenance/building of every single traffic light in the UK.
 
Whistlin' Dixie said:
They were never gonna go anywhere while they're in full control of the maintenance/building of every single traffic light in the UK.
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It's a massive benefit for an EU country company to now have a presence in the UK. They still trade from their home factories and offices within the EU, but will be able to bypass the EU commission interference for RoW trading.......
 
peteblue said:
It's a massive benefit for an EU country company to now have a presence in the UK. They still trade from their home factories and offices within the EU, but will be able to bypass the EU commission interference for RoW trading.......
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Siemens already trades with the rest of the world. I would be interested to know when, and how, the EU commissioners have interfered with Siemens trading with the rest of the world, as this could have a bearing on their investment in Hull.

Siemens have said they will review their investment in Hull in 2017 and it will depend how trade talks between the UK and the EU goes.
 
So for the first few weeks we've had people asking 'would any leave voters change their vote if a new referendum was held'.

So now we have a new strong Prime Minster, mark my words, in a year or two people will be asking the same question but in reverse, 'would any remain voters now change their mind and vote leave'.

The future is bright.
 
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