Current Affairs EU In or Out

[BirkenheadBlue]

Clever timing from Bercow.

 

[neil999]

Clever timing from Bercow.

whys that?

 

[Methuselah]

Facts bud. Governments own analysis. Plus bank of England. All show negatives.



Cant. At a guess I'd say 10% are no longer about if you get my drift.

The Bank of England have recently reviewed their 'project fear' figures downwards - for the second time.

 

[Methuselah]

But staying in isnt a Bad Deal.

No, its just undemocratic.

 

[roydo]

whys that?

Standing down as speaker at the next ge, or Oct 31st, whichever is next.

 

[Methuselah]

Yawn? You said that there were a raft of things wrong with May's deal and couldn't name any. Another bluff. Pathetic.....

In spite of being retired, I am a busy man. Why should I spend time sorting it all out for you? Look it up yourself, there's plenty of info available.

 

[roydo]

No, its just undemocratic.

So what? What makes democracy so great if it delivers the lunacy we are witnessing?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bercow is going to be sat there on the 31st and his chair will revolve and George Soros will emerge out of the other side of the wall. Just for bantz.

 

[Blues Harp]

No, its just undemocratic.

Why?

 

[Kenshin]

Why is noone talking about this.

If the opposition to the government are literally passing laws now to get Thier own way than surely that is the death of British politics?

So no matter what, if an opposition doesn't agree with their government they just pass a law preventing them doing their job.

Also side point, why is everyone running scared of an election before the 31st? If labour think they can win then surely they just extend before that date after winning ?

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[roydo]

Why is noone talking about this.

If the opposition to the government are literally passing laws now to get Thier own way than surely that is the death of British politics?

So no matter what, if an opposition doesn't agree with their government they just pass a law preventing them doing their job.

Also side point, why is everyone running scared of an election before the 31st? If labour think they can win then surely they just extend before that date after winning ?

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It can only happen at the moment because the Government dont have a majority. And no one is running scared of an election per ce; they are unwilling to allow Johnson to announce one, then for him to change the date to after Oct 31st which would mean we drift out of the EU without a deal.

 

[Tubey]

No, its just undemocratic.

Explain how.

Undemocratic would be ignoring the duly elected House of Commons, which Johnson is advocating, not a non binary advisory referendum. Which, by the way, has been anything but ignored.

The advice of the electorate in the referendum was to leave. But if that isn't practical as it'd be national self harm, then it's up to the elected Parliament to do what is right for the country in their determination. Hell, that's why we have elections instead of referendums on everything.

 

[Methuselah]

I'll try to give it a crack as I do like and respect you as a poster.

No deal only works when you are in a position of strength, so with a car analogy if the dealer doesn't sell cars no one gets paid and they go out of business. Thus the buyer has a relatively good amount of control of the situation AND if you don't like what they are prepared to sell it to you, you can just walk away (no deal) without it greatly effecting you bar from your time and the amount it cost you to drive/get there and you can always go buy another car elsewhere.

Here we are captive and walking away will cost billions of pounds. The side we are up against will not feel the costs of a no deal in the same way. They have the control. Even if you say right we will withhold the 39 billion pounds (which eventually they will probably get back in the courts anyhow - thus costing more money) the benefits that we are prepared to put 1 billion a month in to get back more, must mean that figure is like a year or maybe two of what we used to get back from being in the EU. So anything thereafter is a drop off for the economy. Not even considering that if we do no deal you can forget a reasonable outcome negotiating a trade deal afterwards for many moons to come.

Thank you for the compliment. We are in a position of strength. We buy more from the EU than we sell to them and this doesn't take account of the fact that there is a strong possibility of a recession. EU member states will be rather desperate for our business. Your second paragraph is largely opinions with which I don't agree. Plus your comment about 'what we used to get back from being in the EU'. This is just returning our own money, we are net contributors. If we are out, we won't be paying it in the first place.

 

[Methuselah]

No deal was also project fear, Farage Johnson all scoffed at remainers that a deal would be very difficult. Now we are in situation that Prime Minister is contemplating breaking the law to achieve no deal, that fits into anyone's idea of chaos.

People break the law every day. You only break democracy once.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

In spite of being retired, I am a busy man. Why should I spend time sorting it all out for you? Look it up yourself, there's plenty of info available.

You made the statement and could not back it up. There's a few Brexiteers like that on here. They know who they are. You know who you are.
Say it by all means but be prepared to back it up when challenged. Otherwise? Don't chat bubbles.