Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Methuselah]

There’s a massive difference between negotiations with a supplier and negotiating with a political-economic-social block however.

Yes, its far more important negotiating with a political-economic bloc, which means its even more important to get things right.

 

[zzr45]

Yes, its far more important negotiating with a political-economic bloc, which means its even more important to get things right.

It’s also why there’s no ‘haha we are happy to walk away and look elsewhere’ because in reality, we can’t.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I negotiated on behalf of a multi-national company (around the world) and also, later on, my own business. I would never consider going into a negotiation with a strategy that says 'I must have a deal and I am under orders not to leave without one.' I'm sure the opposition would cut a good deal - not. Perhaps Bruce could tell us how he would manage it. In any negotiation you have to have red lines. If the opposition sense you won't walk away then they will concede nothing.

Now we're getting somewhere. So you'd gladly remain in the EU if a deal can't be negotiated? That's the best BATNA we have, not to leave the EU without anything in place. That's an utterly terrible BATNA, which if you've undertaken so many negotiations you would think you'd understand.

 

[Methuselah]

Point proven! Thanks.

Pleased for you that you think a meaningless example proves anything.

 

[Methuselah]

Now we're getting somewhere. So you'd gladly remain in the EU if a deal can't be negotiated? That's the best BATNA we have, not to leave the EU without anything in place. That's an utterly terrible BATNA, which if you've undertaken so many negotiations you would think you'd understand.

No, because I believe in May's mantra (which she didn't) No deal is better than a bad deal.

 

[roydo]

That's an utterly terrible BATNA, which if you've undertaken so many negotiations you would think you'd understand.

Its the polar opposite to a BATNA.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

For those who fancy moving beyond the Mark Francois school of negotiating, this might be of interest

A Definitive Guide to the Brexit Negotiations

The UK has a few aces to play. So does the EU.

hbr.org

 

[The binman chronicles]

Sorry, but I fail to see this point, it is completely meaningless to me.

I'll try to give it a crack as I do like and respect you as a poster.

No deal only works when you are in a position of strength, so with a car analogy if the dealer doesn't sell cars no one gets paid and they go out of business. Thus the buyer has a relatively good amount of control of the situation AND if you don't like what they are prepared to sell it to you, you can just walk away (no deal) without it greatly effecting you bar from your time and the amount it cost you to drive/get there and you can always go buy another car elsewhere.

Here we are captive and walking away will cost billions of pounds. The side we are up against will not feel the costs of a no deal in the same way. They have the control. Even if you say right we will withhold the 39 billion pounds (which eventually they will probably get back in the courts anyhow - thus costing more money) the benefits that we are prepared to put 1 billion a month in to get back more, must mean that figure is like a year or maybe two of what we used to get back from being in the EU. So anything thereafter is a drop off for the economy. Not even considering that if we do no deal you can forget a reasonable outcome negotiating a trade deal afterwards for many moons to come.

 

[roydo]

No, because I believe in May's mantra (which she didn't) No deal is better than a bad deal.

But staying in isnt a Bad Deal.

 

[Walken]

You will only get a deal if you don't send any negotiator with their hands tied behind their back.... also I am still waiting for you confirmation of what Labours stance is on Brexit as Thornberry on QT had everyone in bulk laughing at her idea?

It's been explained by other people and you've quoted it yourself, the most important factor is to prevent no deal which would cause huge pain to so many. But you want to play roulette with that

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No, because I believe in May's mantra (which she didn't) No deal is better than a bad deal.

Which Nobel laureate Richard Thaler described as possibly the dumbest thing ever uttered by a politician this week.

“If you want people do to something, make it easy.” Richard Thaler has Lunch with the FT

The Anthologist doesn’t serve cashew nuts, so I order a bowl of smoked almonds instead. When they arrive, caramelised and brown as barbecue sauce, I ask for them to be put right in front of Richard…

timharford.com

We return to May, and her explanation that a vote to Leave would be a vote for something undefined and unknowable. Yet as prime minister, she felt that it was quite sufficient to declare that Brexit means Brexit. “Brexit means Brexit — that is one of the dumbest statements that has ever been uttered by a head of state. And I’m aware that there are thousands of tweets one could compare it with. I mean, it’s simultaneously meaningless and wrong.”

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Yawn, why did they vote against it then?

Yawn? You said that there were a raft of things wrong with May's deal and couldn't name any. Another bluff. Pathetic.....

 

[Joey66]

It's been explained by other people and you've quoted it yourself, the most important factor is to prevent no deal which would cause huge pain to so many. But you want to play roulette with that

So you negotiate with your hands tied behind your back......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So you negotiate with your hands tied behind your back......

I appreciate this is likely to be a waste of time, but explain to me how leaving with no deal is a better BATNA than remaining as we are?

 

[Joey66]

I appreciate this is likely to be a waste of time, but explain to me how leaving with no deal is a better BATNA than remaining as we are?

No because we voted out.....