Current Affairs EU In or Out

[The binman chronicles]

you know and i know its far for more for them than 'not getting a mandate from the people'

Personally I think yes most of Labour/Lib would like to remain but the mandate from the people is not a smokescreen, it is a legitimate concern. People need to understand that a no deal will leave a hard border in Ireland and eventually will lead to Scotland and/or N.Ireland leaving the UK meaning there will be a hard border on this island. Not all leave votes were for a no deal they were told they could have their cake and eat it.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Uncalled for abuse

I'll accept that. I lost my temper and take no pride in that.

But I come in here looking for adult discussion and absolutely hate the patronisation and condescension you get from some posters, especially when it was totally uncalled for as was the case here.

 

[Khalekan]

Thank you. So it's the English ruining everything for everyone yet again.

A certain type of English

They are ruining it for about half their own countrymen as well.

 

[Kev The Rat]

They are blocking it because they think it is completely irresponsible to let the country damage itself like that.

yes hence they must negotiate a deal, get it passed through parliament, and only then can they put it on a ballot.

brexit purgatory for years

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

no because No Deal has been designated by default as unacceptable by Labour and Lib Dems. They blocked it on multiple occasions, there is no way it can go on a ballot paper now if they have anything to do with it.

they will have to negotiate a new deal, get it through parliament and then have a ref based on that or remain.

But Labour and the Lib Dems etc keep telling us that the mood of the country has changed, and that leave voters are now saying in polls that if they knew then what they know now they would have voted differently, if Labour and the Lib Dems are confident of that then they shouldn't have a problem with no deal or stay in the EU as the 2 choices on a ballot paper, especially the Lib Dems who don't want to leave full stop.

 

[degsy]

You think the ERG are in the remain camp??

Obvs not, they're in the look after yourself camp

 

[The binman chronicles]

They are blocking it because they think it is completely irresponsible to let the country damage itself like that.

Agreed but if no deal had of been on the original referendum and had won then they wouldn't have the grounds to reject like they are doing now.

 

[tim cahill]

Agreed but if no deal had of been on the original referendum and had won then they wouldn't have the grounds to reject like they are doing now.

But it wasn't, and it never should be.

 

[tim cahill]

brexit purgatory for years

Purgatory is better than hell though right?

 

[The binman chronicles]

But it wasn't, and it never should be.

One camp is going to have to move a red line else it will never be sorted. The no dealers/Scots/irish will have to let a hard border or let N.Ireland stay in the EU. The remainers will need to risk leaving with a no deal to be able to remain or leave with a managed deal.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I can only vouch for myself, but I never wanted a GE, I don't think Parliament will look much different afterwards and therefore it does little to solve the paralysis.

Brexit needs to be sorted in a different way to then kill off the Brexit type parties that take votes away from the others and then there might be a chance for a majority government or a stable coalition.

In the ideal world you wouldn't want a GE to be dominated by Brexit. But this current parliament has proven that it can't agree on anything other than it doesn't want a no deal Brexit. Effectively all it's doing is kicking the can further down the road which is arguably the worst scenario of them all. The demographics in Parliament have to be changed so one side can bring this debacle to an end. I agree there is no guarantee that anybody gets a majority, but we have to keep trying until that happens because lots of other important issues are being totally ignored whilst the country argues over Brexit.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Purgatory is better than hell though right?

Not really, the unrest will only grow and it is stopping other legislation going though.

 

[roydo]

have to let a hard border or let N.Ireland stay in the EU

And neither will happen.

 

[degsy]

That's the thing, we wouldn't have all the "No one knew what they were voting for" like we did after the first referendum.

Nah, no 2nd Refferendum,
Parliament instigated the first one.
A 2nd is against the spirit of democracy - you don't have another vote because you don't like the result
The Refferendum was none binding.
Parliament is and was the problem
They must front up and fix it one of two ways
1) brexit
or
2) vote, either in Parliament now, or after a GE, where one or more parties nail their return to the status quo, democratically to pull the whole deal.

 

[Kev The Rat]

In the ideal world you wouldn't want a GE to be dominated by Brexit. But this current parliament has proven that it can't agree on anything other than it doesn't want a no deal Brexit. Effectively all it's doing is kicking the can further down the road which is arguably the worst scenario of them all. The demographics in Parliament have to be changed so one side can bring this debacle to an end. I agree there is no guarantee that anybody gets a majority, but we have to keep trying until that happens because lots of other important issues are being totally ignored whilst the country argues over Brexit.

I don’t agree. I think they are quite clearly purposefully playing the long game to a second ref, by using the mechanism of blocking no deal and enforcing an extended delay until the conditions arise where brexit can be cancelled are in place.