Current Affairs EU In or Out

[BlueToff]

The worrying thing of all that is the potential shift away from viewing this as largely a problem caused by a Tory party that has been infiltrated by extremists, towards this being a national malady that damages the reputation of all Britons. As the article says, I find it increasingly difficult to see how the UK can possibly remain in the EU, even with a 2nd referendum requesting as much. We've become poisonous on the international stage.

And that's why I think if we did revoke Article 50, the EU wouldn't simply let us back in with open arms like some suggest.

So it's basically catch 22.

 

[Xizor]

I actually agree with you for once, all Farage has to do is step back and shout from the sidelines betrayal,
and watch a weak opposition and Tory’s destroy eachother.

The difference being that I see it as an extremely slim possibility (though I do accept it's one he's happy to see play out and could even be working towards) and also as something horrific that has to be carefully guarded against.

 

[orchard]

What does the Kinnock amendment do for things?

Iirc, forces parliament to vote/consider May's agreement coupled with ten aspects that Labour wanted to incorporate, but failed during their late discussions because May refused to shift on any of her 'red lines'.
Things like worker's rights, environmental protections, agri-food standards must not fall below eu standards and need to be enshrined in law.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

I'm pretty sure Corbyn would have disagreed, if not now, then two years ago when in his manifesto he promised to deliver Brexit with a deal.

I'm sure something was possible. Had all parties been united behind respecting the result of the vote.

What was possible? A better trade deal with the EU than we have now?

A more open border in Ireland than we have now?

Greater freedom of movement than we have now?

Do you not see how all the talk from the Leave side now is about mitigation. Where's the good stuff?!

 

[Hawhaw]

The difference being that I see it as an extremely slim possibility (though I do accept it's one he's happy to see play out and could even be working towards) and also as something horrific that has to be carefully guarded against.

I’m pretty open minded when it comes to Farage, a man of action like him, can only be a good thing.

I’m actually seeing him in a few weeks on the Brexit party tour. What in your opinion do you think needs to be guarded against?

Farage has setup the Brexit party to defend free speech and democracy in Britain.

 

[ToffeeTim]

And that's why I think if we did revoke Article 50, the EU wouldn't simply let us back in with open arms like some suggest.

So it's basically catch 22.

We can unilaterally revoke article 50 and they can't stop us. The courts have already ruled on that.

The EU are desperate for us to stay anyway.

 

[Hawhaw]

 

[orchard]

Hahaha, cornered rats eh?

 

[BlueToff]

We can unilaterally revoke article 50 and they can't stop us. The courts have already ruled on that.

The EU are desperate for us to stay anyway.

That article @JEBUS_LIVES posted above suggests otherwise, mate.

Honestly at this stage I just want it over so if we ultimately decide to revoke it then I won't really care. But at the same time it'd have demonstrated a complete failing of the government to enact the will of the majority of the people that voted in 2016. Regardless of whether you're leave or remain, that's not a good thing.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

We won't be having another referendum again for a very long time, if ever. Our overlords in Westminster won't ever take risk of giving the peasants the power to publically voice their opinions or have any say in the running of the country. Right now our power is limited to selecting which gang of gravy train riding idiots have a turn at buggering up the country once every five years or so. We have no power to demand a reform of our antiquated, broken parliament which has embarrassed the country for far to long with it's pathetic behaviour in and out of the HOC.

 

[Xizor]

I’m pretty open minded when it comes to Farage, a man of action like him, can only be a good thing.

I’m actually seeing him in a few weeks on the Brexit party tour. What in your opinion do you think needs to be guarded against?

Farage has setup the Brexit party to defend free speech and democracy in Britain.

Yeah, that's exactly how it begins. Couldn't happen here, could it? Well there's your answer. "Man of action can only be a good thing". Can't see why a hard-right insurgent movement needs to be guarded against. Believes that the protofascists in the BP want to defend free speech and democracy.

You're a really pitiful case. Some of the worst excesses in history have been enabled by the likes of you, wilfully or ignorantly cheering on and championing the very worst in humanity. I hope for all our sakes you suffer a series of harmless but inconvenient events that prevent you ever reaching a polling station for the rest of your unfortunate existence.

 

[davek]

Hahaha, cornered rats eh?

Farage knows Johnson cant go near that deal. That's why he's offering it.

 

[dholliday]

I dont think so. As said, the EU elections last May were an indicator as to the strength of the ardent Brexiteers: the Tories were wiped out and the Brexit party mustered around 30% of the vote.

That's why I dont know believe that even an unlikely pact between Brexit and Tory parties can win the day. Combined they'd poll no greater than low 40% of the total electorate.

40% of the electorate is enough to win the day, as not all the electorate actually vote.

And regarding the Euro elections, you can interpet it thus: pro-Remain parties (at the time) only got 35% of the vote. That's not enough.

 

[dholliday]

You're a really pitiful case. Some of the worst excesses in history have been enabled by the likes of you, wilfully or ignorantly cheering on and championing the very worst in humanity. I hope for all our sakes you suffer a series of harmless but inconvenient events that prevent you ever reaching a polling station for the rest of your unfortunate existence.

Horrible post. It's aggressive confrontational guff like this which is the big problem in society. Fans of Farage are harmless in comparison.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Farage has setup the Brexit party to defend free speech and democracy in Britain.

Do you think the Brexit Party is a democratic one? What's the constitution like? Who voted Farage leader? When are the leadership elections?