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edge said:
So parliaments cunning plans is let's kick the can down the road for three months and let the EU tell us ok to do just that again,
meanwhile we have no united opposition stance to brexit, other than no deal brexit is off the table, well OK what's going on the table?
no plan from either side that can at least try and bring the country together.
just we win or you win from both sides
Brilliant just what we need
What a shambles , hope we get a GE to bring this to a head finally one way or the other.
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The revisionists are at work. Much of this is down to May keeping negotiations with EU secret from parliament, despite much protest. Now we know why...

And remember this was going to be the easiest deal ever, we were going have our cake and eat it.

Its only recently in this process that Parliament has had a meaningful informed voice.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
Maybe all this showboating over ‘no deal’ is for his domestic political opponents and not the Eu in the hope that the opposition bottle it and vote through some watered down deal. Is that a possibility?
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All the word from the EU suggests they're equal parts baffled and disgusted by the way the Tories have behaved throughout. We've gone full Trump unfortunately.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
Maybe all this showboating over ‘no deal’ is for his domestic political opponents and not the Eu in the hope that the opposition bottle it and vote through some watered down deal. Is that a possibility?
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Mays deal, Rees Mogg and cronies all voted for it in the end...

I suspect something very similar to be presented by Johnson at the death. And Farage and his party are sat waiting, eyeing those Tory seats...
 
edge said:
he has said repeatedly he wants a deal , if you believe a word out of his mouth.
i think his plan will be to get the basically the same deal already offered with a few scraps thrown in his direction from the EU to make it look like he has won something.
so no deal whats next?
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The problem here is that May lost a majoriry in 2017, we'd be out by now otherwise.

No deal could have also been on the ballot paper. That would have made the whole thing as clear as day.

The tories called the referendum, set the question. The tories called the election in 2017. The tories have been in the government since 2010. This mess is 100% the tories fault.
 
it all an act Bruce , THe tories
Bruce Wayne said:
All the word from the EU suggests they're equal parts baffled and disgusted by the way the Tories have behaved throughout. We've gone full Trump unfortunately.
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They are not on there own there mate, don't think we have gone all Trump it just suits Johnson to play that part at the moment.
few months down the line it will be cuddly boris or bojo the new iron lady, he is like that old cartoon Mr Benn pops in and out of character as it suits ,to get him were or what he wants
 
So,

This Government wants a deal, but it might be forced to leave without one, because of the EU (as per Johnson et al).

This Government doesn't want an election, but might be forced into one because of parliament (as per Raab today).

What's the point of this Government if it can't get anything it wants because of external factors? How is that remotely good governance?

Extension, election, Remain-Alliance Government, Soft Brexit agreed, put it to the people. Now plsthx. We either end up in or out of the political sphere but life will go on for almost all of us as before.
 
here is the section from the fixed term parliament bill on calling early GE if anybody is interested
Early parliamentary general elections
(1)An early parliamentary general election is to take place if—

(a)the House of Commons passes a motion in the form set out in subsection (2), and

(b)if the motion is passed on a division, the number of members who vote in favour of the motion is a number equal to or greater than two thirds of the number of seats in the House (including vacant seats).

(2)The form of motion for the purposes of subsection (1)(a) is—

“That there shall be an early parliamentary general election.”

(3)An early parliamentary general election is also to take place if—

(a)the House of Commons passes a motion in the form set out in subsection (4), and

(b)the period of 14 days after the day on which that motion is passed ends without the House passing a motion in the form set out in subsection (5).

(4)The form of motion for the purposes of subsection (3)(a) is—

“That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty’s Government.”

(5)The form of motion for the purposes of subsection (3)(b) is—

“That this House has confidence in Her Majesty’s Government.”

(6)Subsection (7) applies for the purposes of the Timetable in rule 1 in Schedule 1 to the Representation of the People Act 1983.

(7)If a parliamentary general election is to take place as provided for by subsection (1) or (3), the polling day for the election is to be the day appointed by Her Majesty by proclamation on the recommendation of the Prime Minister (and, accordingly, the appointed day replaces the day which would otherwise have been the polling day for the next election determined under section 1)
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
On so many occasions in the last 3 years I've heard people proclaim 'ive always been a labour supporter, labour for 5 generations in my family, but Brexit has made my entire family, all 5 generations of us vote for Farage/Johnson/Batten/Tommy. This radical Marxist Corbyn will be ruinous for the country'

Can't ever recall anyone saying 'I've had enough of Brexit and Tories, I'll vote for Labour/Liberal.

Starting to remind me of the 'blue' supporters that inhabit the RS witch Hunt thread.
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It's BS. They're not and never have been LP supporters. Their game is to use every social media platform to create a critical mass of opinion for their own party (whichever that may be).

They're pathetically easy to detect.
 
Khalekan said:
They are almost certain to lose South Belfast to the SDLP and a bit of tactical voting in North Belfast could very well unseat their talisman, Nigel Dodds, to Sinn Fein.

I would mortgage my house to bet on SDLP taking Derry back from Sinn Fein, which of course means one more chalked up for the anti Tory brigade in the HOC.

I am just looking here at the South Down numbers from 2017 and that is a Sinn Fein/SDLP marginal.....I could see the SDLP taking that seat as well.

So we could see three SDLP gains...two DUP losses.

That would translate, if my maths are right and allowing for the Sinn Fein fellow in North Belfast not taking his seat, to a five seat swing away from Johnson’s junta in NI.

Then there is Scotland......seven Tory seats almost certain to fall...the other six very much in play.

We might not get an overall majority, but neither will the Tories and I think this time the progressive alliances will be with the good guys :)

Mind you......there will be no October election.

Good ol’ David Cameron has come back to haunt Johnson .........and Corbyn gets to decide if there is an Election on October 14th.

I don’t think he will bite.

If we get this over the line tomorrow, send Johnson to Brussels on the 16th and let the EU hold his toes to the fire :)
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Praise be.

I'm not familiar with N.I. parliamentary seats, but is Big Arthur Arlene in danger of losing his her seat?
 
Khalekan said:
It is possible but from what I can gather there are not enough Kamikaze Brexiters in the Lords to completely filibuster it and the Lords can sit over the weekend so that would stretch their resources too much.
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But sure they'd only need maybe 2 or 3 okd goats to just talk it out?! Hope I am missing something..?
 
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