Current Affairs EU In or Out

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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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So it looks like a General Election is incoming.

Think that Johnson may have made a fatal error. He seems to be framing that losing the option of no deal is bad because it weakens our negotiation position, not because he actually wants no deal. If he runs on anything other than a full no deal pledge then Fararge will take so many votes it’s very hard to see a path of victory for them.

Especially after Davidson’s departure screws them in Scotland.

This whole mess started because of the tories fear of Fararge’s party stealing their votes. I guess there would be something slightly poetic if that’s exactly what happened to end it.

There will be a non aggression pact, Farage won’t go against ERG zealots like Francois, Baker to name a few.

The Brexit party strategy will be to claim Labour betrayal and go hard for places like Pontefract. It’s shaping up for a remain alliance versus Brexit alliance I fear.

In a first past the post system, outside London and Scotland remain hasn’t got a majority in parliamentary terms.

I think Brexit will dominate for the next decades.
 
Not necessarily. I'm Remain but I like to think things will work out OK.
Good stuff. The point of the article is leaning towards the idea that the Government, by choosing not to issue the Impact assessments, are hiding the truth.

I'd also ask, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, what are you basing your belief that things will work out?
 
But there's nothing to support that view beyond base levels of hope?
No you're right! But we can surely remember the time before we joined the Common Market? Things were OK.

I'm not daft. I know our manufacturing industry has been decimated since then and the rest of it but I have faith in the fact that people want stuff and other people will provide it. In short, the market.
 
No you're right! But we can surely remember the time before we joined the Common Market? Things were OK.

I'm not daft. I know our manufacturing industry has been decimated since then and the rest of it but I have faith in the fact that people want stuff and other people will provide it. In short, the market.

We were the sick man of Europe, hence why Britain joined in the first place. It's a stretch to say things were OK.
 
No you're right! But we can surely remember the time before we joined the Common Market? Things were OK.

I'm not daft. I know our manufacturing industry has been decimated since then and the rest of it but I have faith in the fact that people want stuff and other people will provide it. In short, the market.

Agreed but we've just made it harder and more expensive to serve our biggest market. And for no good practical reason (in my opinion)
 
I love the way various Tories pop up from time to time to remind us that there is one Brexit plan that got a majority in the Commons - the Brady Amendment/Malthouse Compromise. Anyone remember what that was? Oh yeah, the existing WA with the backstop taken out. Because the EU have no idea that's what the government is desperate for, because there's a UK news blackout in Brussels or something.
 
We were the sick man of Europe, hence why Britain joined in the first place. It's a stretch to say things were OK.
Well I suppose it depends what side of the fence you were on.
In 1969 I spent six weeks living in Paris, and when folk heard I was British they were all over me. It was cool Britannia before the phrase was invented.
We've still got some clout. OK it's slightly different now!
 
We were the sick man of Europe, hence why Britain joined in the first place. It's a stretch to say things were OK.

Not to mention that the world around us has changed massively, and policies and philosophies that worked in the past might be disastrous today, due to reality getting in the way of how we wished the world would be.
 
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