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Shameless.

Boris Johnson's Government refuses to reveal poverty levels under Brexit

BORIS Johnson is under mounting pressure over his plan to leave the European Union after his Government blocked the release of estimated poverty…

www.heraldscotland.com

don’t need to see a report to know the poverty levels around here, just need to look out of the window

 

[Jebus_lives]

don’t need to see a report to know the poverty levels around here, just need to look out of the window

I think the point is that it will get worse in the event of No Deal.

 

[gonetomorrow]

I think the point is that it will get worse in the event of No Deal.

Not necessarily. I'm Remain but I like to think things will work out OK.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Not necessarily. I'm Remain but I like to think things will work out OK.

Maybe it will but it will be in a period of time. The self inflicted recession will not be a pretty one and will take numerous years and then new trade deals to happen to then bring back confidence.

If we get a half decent deal straight off the bat then maybe we don't get the recession.

 

[Hawhaw]

So it looks like a General Election is incoming.

Think that Johnson may have made a fatal error. He seems to be framing that losing the option of no deal is bad because it weakens our negotiation position, not because he actually wants no deal. If he runs on anything other than a full no deal pledge then Fararge will take so many votes it’s very hard to see a path of victory for them.

Especially after Davidson’s departure screws them in Scotland.

This whole mess started because of the tories fear of Fararge’s party stealing their votes. I guess there would be something slightly poetic if that’s exactly what happened to end it.

There will be a non aggression pact, Farage won’t go against ERG zealots like Francois, Baker to name a few.

The Brexit party strategy will be to claim Labour betrayal and go hard for places like Pontefract. It’s shaping up for a remain alliance versus Brexit alliance I fear.

In a first past the post system, outside London and Scotland remain hasn’t got a majority in parliamentary terms.

I think Brexit will dominate for the next decades.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Not necessarily. I'm Remain but I like to think things will work out OK.

But there's nothing to support that view beyond base levels of hope?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Not necessarily. I'm Remain but I like to think things will work out OK.

Good stuff. The point of the article is leaning towards the idea that the Government, by choosing not to issue the Impact assessments, are hiding the truth.

I'd also ask, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, what are you basing your belief that things will work out?

 

[larrygobfiend]

What the hell has happened to the country? We were plodding along quite happily and now most of us hate each other.

All so a few rotting gammons can utter "we've got our country back," on their death beds.

 

[gonetomorrow]

But there's nothing to support that view beyond base levels of hope?

No you're right! But we can surely remember the time before we joined the Common Market? Things were OK.

I'm not daft. I know our manufacturing industry has been decimated since then and the rest of it but I have faith in the fact that people want stuff and other people will provide it. In short, the market.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No you're right! But we can surely remember the time before we joined the Common Market? Things were OK.

I'm not daft. I know our manufacturing industry has been decimated since then and the rest of it but I have faith in the fact that people want stuff and other people will provide it. In short, the market.

We were the sick man of Europe, hence why Britain joined in the first place. It's a stretch to say things were OK.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

No you're right! But we can surely remember the time before we joined the Common Market? Things were OK.

I'm not daft. I know our manufacturing industry has been decimated since then and the rest of it but I have faith in the fact that people want stuff and other people will provide it. In short, the market.

Agreed but we've just made it harder and more expensive to serve our biggest market. And for no good practical reason (in my opinion)

 

[Charlie Sweet]

We were the sick man of Europe, hence why Britain joined in the first place. It's a stretch to say things were OK.

And, way before my time, but history books say we begged and pleaded to join for a decade before being allowed in.

 

[Xizor]

I love the way various Tories pop up from time to time to remind us that there is one Brexit plan that got a majority in the Commons - the Brady Amendment/Malthouse Compromise. Anyone remember what that was? Oh yeah, the existing WA with the backstop taken out. Because the EU have no idea that's what the government is desperate for, because there's a UK news blackout in Brussels or something.

 

[gonetomorrow]

We were the sick man of Europe, hence why Britain joined in the first place. It's a stretch to say things were OK.

Well I suppose it depends what side of the fence you were on.
In 1969 I spent six weeks living in Paris, and when folk heard I was British they were all over me. It was cool Britannia before the phrase was invented.
We've still got some clout. OK it's slightly different now!

 

[Xizor]

We were the sick man of Europe, hence why Britain joined in the first place. It's a stretch to say things were OK.

Not to mention that the world around us has changed massively, and policies and philosophies that worked in the past might be disastrous today, due to reality getting in the way of how we wished the world would be.