Hi mate. What’s your thoughts on Terry Wogan.
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But it was the slogan for leave and is parroted in this thread on a daily basis. Does it feel to you like much control has been taken back by the people?
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people have the entitlement to believe in whatever they want, if by voting out they believe they are ‘in control’ and it makes them happy to believe that then good for them.
but control means different things to different folks and there are various levels of control that are acceptable to one person but not another.
So they only have to believe they are in control rather than having the actual control they claim they voted for?
I think it's a stretch to argue that it's a perfectly reasonable stance to believe you're taking back control of something, based on a series of lies and misinformation (which the judiciary acknowledge was the case, numerous select committees have acknowledged, the electoral commission have acknowledged), to have it given back to those advocating exactly against the thing they are now implementing.
And I also take issue with the 'different people voted for different things' because it's a argument selectively invoked when it's deemed suitable. You, for example, won't divulge why you voted leave, so the discussion becomes redundant - we have to infer, which allows you complete freedom to disregard any pertinent arguments against your rationale while seeking to rely on an abstract notion of considered decision making.
....ironic Johnson is withdrawing the party whip and threatening to throw rebels out of the Party, when he and some of his closest allies voted against the Government whip on the May deal.
He is the embodiment of someone that believes the rules apply to others but not himself.
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I havent asked anyone the personal reasons why they voted remain either its not my concern and it wouldn’t bother me whatever the reason was, you had the opportunity to vote how you felt and you took it. good for you. you want to give a list of reasons why you voted remain then crack on if it makes you feel good I don’t mind.
Discussing the pros and cons is interesting, personal reasons for voting thats up to the individual and the thought police can go do one if they don’t like it.
part of his strategy for a GE , bin them steal brexit parties clothes, he is playing a game with them all and they will fall for it expect a GE anytime soon.
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So it looks like a General Election is incoming.
Think that Johnson may have made a fatal error. He seems to be framing that losing the option of no deal is bad because it weakens our negotiation position, not because he actually wants no deal. If he runs on anything other than a full no deal pledge then Fararge will take so many votes it’s very hard to see a path of victory for them.
Especially after Davidson’s departure screws them in Scotland.
This whole mess started because of the tories fear of Fararge’s party stealing their votes. I guess there would be something slightly poetic if that’s exactly what happened to end it.
Think that Johnson may have made a fatal error. He seems to be framing that losing the option of no deal is bad because it weakens our negotiation position, not because he actually wants no deal. If he runs on anything other than a full no deal pledge then Fararge will take so many votes it’s very hard to see a path of victory for them.
Especially after Davidson’s departure screws them in Scotland.
This whole mess started because of the tories fear of Fararge’s party stealing their votes. I guess there would be something slightly poetic if that’s exactly what happened to end it.
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And to add to the irony, every single vote that goes to Farage and his motley crew will make any type of Brexit less and less likely.
Those inclined to vote Farage will obviously not realise that.
Farage has hinted if there is a GE in which he thinks there will be - he will do a deal with BoJo on fielding Brexit candidates to keep Labour out......
It's feasible as the Lib dems did it in the last Bi election......
used BOJo as the name Boris is upsetting posters
Anders_Limpar
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Yes. It seems so obvious to me at the moment I can’t quite believe it’s playing out like this.
Obviously though I have no idea what is going on behind closed doors, but there is so much bad blood between Farage and Cummings it seems unlikely that a proper pact could be forged.
A electoral pact between the two parties would change things dramatically.
There was a time such blatant hypocrisy would have seen a politician pilloried in the media and been forced to either retract his threat or resign in the face of outraged public tumult,
Not now.....they can say and do what they like (provided they don’t say owt the right wing media disapproves of).
I mean, imagine Corbyn was about to prorogue parliament......have non compliant colleagues kicked out the party after he himself betrayed his predecessor........had one of his ministers point blank refuse to confirm the government will obey the law.
roydo
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Farage has hinted if there is a GE in which he thinks there will be - he will do a deal with BoJo on fielding Brexit candidates to keep Labour out......
It's feasible as the Lib dems did it in the last Bi election......
used BOJo as the name Boris is upsetting posters
Well if he does, and I can see the sense in it for them both, my post above is completely wrong.
On the other hand....
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Farage has hinted if there is a GE in which he thinks there will be - he will do a deal with BoJo on fielding Brexit candidates to keep Labour out......
It's feasible as the Lib dems did it in the last Bi election......
used BOJo as the name Boris is upsetting posters
Think he has said that they won’t run against the true believers of the ERG (of which there are around 70).
Unless Johnson can deselect the other 200 that’s not going to do them a great deal of help.
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