Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

When did I say I wanted them in power? Afd specifically have a troubled past.

Front National and whatever her new rebrand is called isn’t much better.

Still doesn’t mean my point is invalid, the only way a European entity would work, is if politically they’re all aligned.

Euroscepticism in United Kingdom originally has been a left wing issue, far from the token Brexit racist you describe.

"Unless we have a union of nationalistic leaders in charge of every European country.Such as Salvini, Le Pen, Vox Party AfD & more, there will always be problems in the European Union, because the will of the European people is to be free from communism. "

I'm not sure quite how else to take that statement as it seems muddled on many levels.

 

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Does @bigbadjeff know about this ?

 

[Xizor]

Soviet style communism is what Ursula Von Der Leyen will soon impose. Praise Jesus we’re leaving on October 31st.

You crackpots and nutjobs are supposed to post this sort of drivel at the weekends to entertain us during slow news days.

 

[random]

You crackpots and nutjobs are supposed to post this sort of drivel at the weekends to entertain us during slow news days.

I spend the weekend thinking up the drivel so I can post it during the week.

Can’t speak on behalf of the other crackpots though

 

[Xizor]

I spend the weekend thinking up the drivel so I can post it during the week.

Can’t speak on behalf of the other crackpots though

There's enough drivel that comes out of No.10 to keep us busy midweek thanks.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I spend the weekend thinking up the drivel so I can post it during the week.

Can’t speak on behalf of the other crackpots though

What are your thoughts on needing a union of nationalistic leaders in charge of every European country. Such as Salvini, Le Pen, Vox Party AfD & more?

 

[random]

There's enough drivel that comes out of No.10 to keep us busy midweek thanks.

and also the EU

*cough* commission regulation no. 2257/94 *cough*

 

[random]

What are your thoughts on needing a union of nationalistic leaders in charge of every European country. Such as Salvini, Le Pen, Vox Party AfD & more?

If the people of their respective countries want to vote them in power then that’s their prerogative

Not that I would vote for any of them.

I am a very firm believer in Tony Benns 5 questions of democracy

 

[Jebus_lives]

If the people of their respective countries want to vote them in power then that’s their oerogative.

Not that I would vote for any of them.

I am a very firm believer in Tony Benns 5 questions of democracy

Do you think we currently meet this criteria in the UK?

 

[random]

do you mean the current situation re suspending parliament ? if it is within the democratic process then yes. If it isn’t in the ‘rules’ then no. I am not an expert on the parliamentary protocol (unlike some folks ) all I can go by is what I read.

the problem is we do not have a written constitution because we have never needed to have one so its all in a state of flux and based on previous precedents, which from what I have read so far, the prorogue of parliament is ‘within the rules’ no matter what the reason for it is.

things change all the time, should we have another referendum ? not convinced myself but if thats what we end up doing then I will accept that we are having one and will do this

remain [ ]
leave [x]

and if remain win so be it but I will be at peace that I exercised my democratic right to vote how I wanted to.

 

[Jebus_lives]

do you mean the current situation re suspending parliament ? if it is within the democratic process then yes. If it isn’t in the ‘rules’ then no. I am not an expert on the parliamentary protocol (unlike some folks ) all I can go by is what I read.

the problem is we do not have a written constitution because we have never needed to have one so its all in a state of flux and based on previous precedents, which from what I have read so far, the prorogue of parliament is ‘within the rules’ no matter what the reason for it is.

things change all the time, should we have another referendum ? not convinced myself but if thats what we end up doing then I will accept that we are having one and will do this

remain [ ]
leave [x]

and if remain win so be it but I will be at peace that I exercised my democratic right to vote how I wanted to.

It's a collection of factors really.

The decision to prorogue parliament, a threat to fire MPs, statements from two cabinet ministers suggesting they shouldn't and won't be bound by the law a position they have argued in the past previously

Case related to decision to prorogue parliament will be heard on 6th September. There had been fears it would have taken place after the Oct 31st deadline.

Remarkably, the petitioners argued that all public authorities are bound to respect the rule of law.
The respondents (government) noted it, but at least in court documentation deny that obligation exists.

So, assuming it's not just badly drafted, the government currently seems to believe that public bodies do not have to observe the law.

I'd also note that there is a court case to determine the legality of prorouging parliament scheduled for this week so questions as to if it is 'within the rules' will be addressed.

What baffles me is the big prize, the ultimate aim, if we are to believe Brexiteers, was to 'take back control' and not allow unelected bureaucrats to determine our decision and yet we have an unelected PM positioning a man who oversaw an illegal referendum campaign, who took no accountability for the leave campaign actions and won't submit himself to scrutiny of select committees, advising the PM to prorogue parliament and sacking anyone that challenges him and no seemingly determining that the rule of law does not apply to the government (a government I might add that knew the referendum was illegal and filled with misinformation but decided to implement A50 regardless).

Doesn't quite feel like the public have taken back much control does it?

 

[Jebus_lives]

This is the fault of Remoaners pure and simple. Instead of backing the PM to negotiate a proper deal they hamstrung her from the very beginning. The opposition were just playing politics, but Hammond and co inside of government put the U.K. in a terrible negotiating position. Using the usual remainer argument, at the 2016 and 2017 votes I don’t remember anyone voting to take ‘no deal’ off the table, but that is exactly what Parliament did. They gave the EU all the support they needed to stitch up the worst possible deal on the basis of trying to reverse the original vote. It was cynical and it continues to this day. Did I want a deal, yes, would I take this deal, no, would I take no deal, yes.......now stop shooting ourselves in the foot and see what transpires.......

Of course he does, but he clearly isn't very good at listening to people who are qualified to understand the impact and the consequences of that. But if it doesn't Brexiteers will have a nice long list of people they can blame:

• MPs (Especially May, Corbyn)
• Remainers
• EU
• Allies that didn't offer us enough support
• Foreigners
• Queen
• Judiciary
• Lord's
• Business
• Bank of England
• Civil Servants
• Londoners
• Anyone bit themselves

 

[random]

Doesn't quite feel like the public have taken back much control does it?

that was the slogan it might have worked on most folks, didn’t make me vote leave.

laws - said on here previously why that is a fallacy

immigration - thats a good thing for a country and am perfectly able explain why to anyone that used that for a reason to vote leave

trade - I think most of our trade is with europe in & out - not looked into that too much

If the majority of the public are ‘in control’ then great, and if the minority become a majority and then become ‘in control’ then great again, and so on and so forth

Democracy should trump dictatorship every time

 

[Hawhaw]

do you mean the current situation re suspending parliament ? if it is within the democratic process then yes. If it isn’t in the ‘rules’ then no. I am not an expert on the parliamentary protocol (unlike some folks ) all I can go by is what I read.

the problem is we do not have a written constitution because we have never needed to have one so its all in a state of flux and based on previous precedents, which from what I have read so far, the prorogue of parliament is ‘within the rules’ no matter what the reason for it is.

things change all the time, should we have another referendum ? not convinced myself but if thats what we end up doing then I will accept that we are having one and will do this

remain [ ]
leave [x]

and if remain win so be it but I will be at peace that I exercised my democratic right to vote how I wanted to.

IF Remain win, it would be best of 3, and an endless set of referendums.

If Leave win, the leader of the anti democrats, Jo Swinson has already admitted she'd not respect that result anyway.

I think this is the point of why we should not have direct democracy, and referendums in the first place. It is an instrument to divide people.

 

[Hawhaw]

that was the slogan it might have worked on most folks, didn’t make me vote leave.

laws - said on here previously why that is a fallacy

immigration - thats a good thing for a country and am perfectly able explain why to anyone that used that for a reason to vote leave

trade - I think most of our trade is with europe in & out - not looked into that too much

If the majority of the public are ‘in control’ then great, and if the minority become a majority and then become ‘in control’ then great again, and so on and so forth

Democracy should trump dictatorship every time

We have no real democracy in the present time, we employ government to supposedly implement a manifesto, and an opposition who have lost, to block the elected government from doing it's job.

You wouldn't hire a board of directors compiled of 6 people, to run a company, and hire 4 people to stop them from doing their job, unless it was a company made in the asylum.

I think if we didn't have the EU referendum, but had electoral reform such as replacing the house of lords with a regional second chamber like the senate, people would feel like they have more control.. If you added removal of first past the post to.


At the moment we have closer to a dictatorship than a true democracy.