Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Walken]

What has that got to do with this thread mate ?

Close your curtains mate

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Unbelievable Jeff.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

To be honest, that is far from the worst suggestion I have seen. Could extend that to the whole flaming mess.

But the answer was the usual total evasion. What's your actual answer @OnlyBlueWillDo?

 

[Barnfred 55]

you're right, but that said, I think participating on referendums on Maastrict (sp?), Nice, and Lisbon twice, gave the Irish population a better understanding of the EU. Maybe, had the British had referendums through the process, you would already have had a far scaled down version of EU membership and there would have been no need to placate grumbling Tory back benchers.

The Irish referendums were a simple majority but none of them were answers to questions as general as in/out.
The conservative party should never see power again for what they've done to the UK and you should feel that way no matter how you voted.

It's not about placating Tory back benchers mate. It really isn't.

The Tories have not covered themselves in glory with their Brexit dealings. Cameron proved himself to be a coward and May proved to be totally incompetent from the day she picked up the mantel. But part of the reason we are in the limbo we find ourselves is that large portions of parliament want to remain in the EU and would never have voted for anything that was put forward. As you could see from the indicative vote process.

You also need to look at the process to have a referendum in the first place. It had been spoken of for decades because there has always been a large part of the UK population that thought we would be better off outside of the EU. However the first bill wasn't presented until 2013. It was KBd by the Lords, but only after it had gone through the Commons COMPLETELY unopposed, with Labour/Libdems and other minority parties abstaining. It came back again in 2015 and this time Labour and Libdems both backed the bill, with only the SNP voting against it.

Even after the vote, Labour voted to invoke article 50.



I'm disillusioned by our political system full stop tbh. But it isn't just the Tories, it's the whole lot of them. When it comes to politics I'm somebody who has always been a middle of the road guy, and I admit that fully knowing that people like me are considered a bit of a joke at the moment. But I've voted for whoever's manifesto most suits my views at the time, and over the years my vote has probably been split pretty equally between Labour, LibDems and the Tories. If the next election is held before the Brexit situation has been resolved, then that will probably determine where my vote goes, because apart from that I'm completely disengaged from politics at the moment. If Brexit has been resolved, which hopefully it has, then my current mind set is that I probably won't vote again.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Turns out @Frank was the most sensible leaver all along lol

I resent that comment

 

[Khalekan]

Is it any good ? I have it on my Kindle but not got round to reading it yet

I thought it was marvellous.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Poor Bruce.

No wonder he threatening to shoot right wing socialist pensioners after going through all that.

Harold Shipman was a man ahead of his time.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I thought it was marvellous.

To be honest, there's only one book reviewer on here worth their (100% British) salt.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa

WOOF WOOF

 

[COYBL25]

Harold Shipman was a man ahead of his time.

Steady on, you`ll be getting reported for advocating the over dosing of pensioners.

Save yourself the aggro and ban yourself before he wakes up from his Werthers Originals induced coma.

 

[Ruairi77]

It's not about placating Tory back benchers mate. It really isn't.

I get It's more than that, my point was more that the UK's relationship with the EU has never been as healthy as, say, Ireland's because the people never had a say after 1975. Had they had a say we might not have come to the position where Cameron felt the need to strong arm his euro skeptic members with a referendum. Cameron might not have had Euroskeptic members.

 

[roydo]

I get It's more than that, my point was more that the UK's relationship with the EU has never been as healthy as, say, Ireland's because the people never had a say after 1975. Had they had a say we might not have come to the position where Cameron felt the need to strong arm his euro skeptic members with a referendum. Cameron might not have had Euroskeptic members.

Thats down to the EU being blamed for every single political failure and social issue in England for 40 years. Well, not every one, but the stuff that has energised a lot of leavers can be lobbed centre stage for sure.

 

[Barnfred 55]

get It's more than that, my point was more that the UK's relationship with the EU has never been as healthy as, say, Ireland's because the people never had a say after 1975

Agreed. Which is basically what I said in my initial response.

But although it works well for Ireland, I just have my doubts over how effective the same policy would be in the UK due to the number of eurosceptics we have.

 

[Kurt.]

Close your curtains mate

Hope he hasn’t got a stadium jacket

 

[The binman chronicles]

But the likes of Spain, Greece, Italy and Portugal already have very fragile economies, and all rely heavily on UK tourism which is bound to be affected by a downturn in relations. Ireland too will struggle purely due to the amount and type of trade it does with us

They will no doubt be affected by Brexit but it's not like all the British tourists will suddenly stop going. Then some of that deficit may be talking by people in other countries that may have gone but for the brits booking things up.