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Not quite, despite what you may read. Was the Lisbon Treaty, I think, which was originally voted down in ROI, EU made some change(s) to it, and asked them again, and they said Yes.
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Not quite, despite what you may read. Was the Lisbon Treaty, I think, which was originally voted down in ROI, EU made some change(s) to it, and asked them again, and they said Yes.
zzr45
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How undemocratic. Allowing people a second opinion after things changed.
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Exactly my point. Thank you @roydo
bigbadjeff
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EXACTLY. Just what the EU are doing with GB. IS not a democracy, is an autocracy
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Unfortunately we aren't a special case. We are the only case and they won't be handing out bespoke agreements. As stated before a lot of the businesses that can move to the continent will. It's not like we will stop buying German cars because 4k extra on a 40k car isn't a big deal at the end of the day to the people who can afford it. People will still buy oranges from Spain etc. Then we look at what we provide Europe with and how much of that can be taken and produced in one of the other 27 countries. Our status as a big economy comes partly from being a member of the EU. What will it be like outside we'll have to wait and see.
zzr45
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Much like when you sat with a semi staring at a goth, I don’t think you’re making quite the same impact as you’re imagining.
bigbadjeff
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Idiot you
bigbadjeff
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Can’t you read a thread or are you just a sheep.
Pics or it never happened
zzr45
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Congratulations. There was two words in that sentence and you still got them in the wrong order.
But please, do continue on with this cutting insight on how the EU is an autocracy.
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Probably the latter.
What was your point? both referendums were different.
EU here's a treaty.
RoI, we're constitutionally obliged to put this to the people.
RoI, the people said no, there arent enough guarantees of neutrality or protection of national taxation levels.
EU. OK, what if we give these guarantees.
RoI. we'd have to put it to the people again.
RoI, The people said yes.
This seems like a reasonable process to me.
It's worth noting that the UK have no laws about voting on stuff like this so most politicians took the easy option and avoided voting on treaties.
It also shows how lazy and poorly thought through the Brexit referendum was.
I think, to be fair, the Irish government took that role on themselves.
The interesting thing from that period is that Farage went over to Dublin to help in the No campaign for either the Nice or Lisbon treaty.
And he shared a platform with the current Sinn Fein leader, Mary McDonald, in a televised debate with Yes politicians lol
Both Sinn Fein and Farage, strange bedfellows nowadays but very much partners in the anti EU camp back then, have tried to distance themselves from this episode and I cannot find the YouTube clip of it no moah.
It's nothing like what is happening now.
If it was, it would go like this.
UK. we want to leave, we're going to have a referendum, the people have voted to leave.
EU. ok, lets figure out how that works.
UK. great, we have an agreement.
UK. lets put that agreement to the people and see if they think it's the best way to leave.
still messy but closer to the lisbon example
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