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I'm not talking figures with you lot as you're exaggerating figures to suit yourselves.

£7 billion to Ireland.

Wasn't anything of the sort.
Get back to that chart it's a government chart for 2015 the rebates cover all the grants it's our money!
18 billion outlay the they tell us how to distribute our monies brilliant NOT!
 
and the economic value of our membership is around £70bn a year, that equates to £200 million a day. Pretty good return on our investment I'd say.

And the economic value to the EU in trading with the UK is higher, so why do we pay again.......
 
Simple maths it reads deficit of membership is NINE Billion pounds the other monies are paid by us in our rebates read the chart it simple maths!

The simple maths is that the UK government pays in £8.5 billion. Private UK firms and universities receive £1.4 billion from the EU. That is a UK contribution of £7.1 billion.
 
Get back to that chart it's a government chart for 2015 the rebates cover all the grants it's our money!
18 billion outlay the they tell us how to distribute our monies brilliant NOT!

Pipe down.

The Irish aren't bad debters you shark! You couldn't even get that right.

Wasn't even done through the EU either. It was bilateral.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/b...reland-in-148m-uk-loan-payments-30664528.html

Republic of Ireland in £148m UK loan payments
By Michael McHugh
PUBLISHED
15/10/2014

A total of £3.2bn was loaned by the UK to the Republic as part of an international rescue package of the country's collapsing economy.

A report from the Treasury published this week said it would be March 2021 before the loan's term was up as the final tranche of money was paid to Ireland a year ago.

The document added: "The Government agreed to provide a bilateral loan to Ireland because it is in the UK's national interest that Ireland has a successful economy and a stable banking system.

"The links between our financial systems, particularly in Northern Ireland, mean that there was a strong economic case to provide financial assistance to Ireland.

"By being part of the international financial package, the UK indirectly supported the very many businesses across the UK that trade with Ireland."

The loan was made at the same time as a bailout by the European Commission, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank, and at a time when the country's banking system seemed to be at risk of imploding.
 
Have you heard of 'game theory'

All financial decisions is calculated risk.

i.e. betting.
Life is a calculated risk. Every major and not so major decision we make is a gamble. Nobody would ever take on a mortgage, have a family, set up a business or do anything that involved some risk. Risk exists even when we thought there was none. Even buying a season ticket....
 
Pipe down.

The Irish aren't bad debters* you shark! You couldn't even get that right.

Wasn't even done through the EU either. It was bilateral.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/b...reland-in-148m-uk-loan-payments-30664528.html

Republic of Ireland in £148m UK loan payments
By Michael McHugh
PUBLISHED
15/10/2014

A total of £3.2bn was loaned by the UK to the Republic as part of an international rescue package of the country's collapsing economy.

A report from the Treasury published this week said it would be March 2021 before the loan's term was up as the final tranche of money was paid to Ireland a year ago.

The document added: "The Government agreed to provide a bilateral loan to Ireland because it is in the UK's national interest that Ireland has a successful economy and a stable banking system.

"The links between our financial systems, particularly in Northern Ireland, mean that there was a strong economic case to provide financial assistance to Ireland.

"By being part of the international financial package, the UK indirectly supported the very many businesses across the UK that trade with Ireland."

The loan was made at the same time as a bailout by the European Commission, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank, and at a time when the country's banking system seemed to be at risk of imploding.
*debtors
 
Saw earlier today that several massive Commercial Property investors, (Standard Life, Aviva, Norwich Union in old money, and M&G) have imposed restrictions on folk taking their investments out.

In a nutshell, it means they have experienced, or expect to receive, instructions from major holders that they want to redeem their money. QED, they have lost faith in the UK Commercial Property market as a low risk home for their cash.

Billions of £££ now effectively tied into an asset class that folk want to get out of.

Technical phrase is they have switched to a swinging single price. Oooh er.

All good stuff. Not.

To be fair, when you invest in this type of commercial property fund, it's made explicitly clear from the start that this type of investment is illiquid. You can't buy and sell these investments as easily as you can shares. The fund manager has to physically sell a shopping centre, an office tower, a retail park etc to meet all of the redemption's. These things can take time.....a long time!

Again, it is made explicitly clear from the start that during times of high redemption's, the selling of your investment may be suspended. Anyone that can not understand this basic concept deserves to find out the hard way. These are long term investments, not something that you can casually buy and sell on a day to day basis.

This is not being caused by 'instructions from major shareholders', but a huge number of small, ignorant investors panicking. One of the first rules of investing is to not invest in something that you do not understand. But many people still do. People are advised from the start that these are long term investments, but do so anyway and check there investment on a day to day basis. Would you panic and sell your house because the value went down over the last month? Of course not!

It's by far more sensible to invest in the shares of property related companies, rather than invest in actual physical property funds. It's simpler and easier to get your money out if you do decide to sell.
 
Life is a calculated risk. Every major and not so major decision we make is a gamble. Nobody would ever take on a mortgage, have a family, set up a business or do anything that involved some risk. Risk exists even when we thought there was none. Even buying a season ticket....

Its a calculated risk by Brexit tonight to tell ABSOLUTE WHOPPERS.

Get away with it once. They calculate they'll get away with it again and again and again.
 
and the economic value of our membership is around £70bn a year, that equates to £200 million a day. Pretty good return on our investment I'd say.
Not on that chart it's a broken system when immigration, paying tax credits child benefit is not worked in!
Immigration can be viable not on free movement on our economy 330, 000 not all EU granted , but almost two thirds is far too high causing Stress on all of our infrastructure!
A Labour supply when needed on a skill basis is a fair basic way to do things in the future, oh and the scare stories of deportation of immigrants is wrong, and very decisive many have set up good business here, the May camp have got this wrong!
 
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Please tell your other Brexiteers to retract their spurious £7 billion loan to Ireland figure as well.
.have you included the RBS and Lloyds , billions( you know the ones we bailed out and pumped millions of taxpayers money into and owned) that were moved to Ireland , then used to prop up or right off IrIsh Debt ?
Its a lot higher than than the official quote loan, and was government / are money at the end of the day.
 
The Brexit lot think.

You tell enough lies and 'it becomes the truth'

Its now a habbit to them. They like to quote this and that but there is ZERO reality behind what they're quoting.

All lies and distortions.
 
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