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Next week is important but it will take something special to stop.
When they call a GE it gets suspended for them to canvas ect and stops the outgoing party putting stuff through to affect the next goverment.
The sitting goverment just gets on with it till the result of the GE comes through.
No new buisness , votes ect as by the time they are passed into law , a new make up of parliment could be in place making it a complete waste of time.
The queens speech is normally debated for 5 days afterwards so that leaves a week before brexit, for anybody to try and get something on the table and passed not normally enough time and the goverment has stuff they could fill that time slot easily to make it even harder.
If its not stopped next week ,he has played his cards well, saying that as casual viewer of it i was saying this well back in this thread so you would think full time MPs would have been ready and waiting for it.
I really fear we are going to get a Boris goverment if he deals with the brexit party in the right way to win an election.
Hope he balls it up, like i say despite my still brexit supporting views i see him as a far bigger danger.

Boris is no fool, he pretends he is in order to bring down peoples guards, but he is a smart politician. He’s also showing what leadership is about and people can see it. He will come to an arrangement so that the Brexit party only take on appropriate Labour and Lib Dem seats and give a suitable reward to Farage......he will absolutely batter Corbyn.....
 
Next week is important but it will take something special to stop.
When they call a GE it gets suspended for them to canvas ect and stops the outgoing party putting stuff through to affect the next goverment.
The sitting goverment just gets on with it till the result of the GE comes through.
No new buisness , votes ect as by the time they are passed into law , a new make up of parliment could be in place making it a complete waste of time.
The queens speech is normally debated for 5 days afterwards so that leaves a week before brexit, for anybody to try and get something on the table and passed not normally enough time and the goverment has stuff they could fill that time slot easily to make it even harder.
If its not stopped next week ,he has played his cards well, saying that as casual viewer of it i was saying this well back in this thread so you would think full time MPs would have been ready and waiting for it.
I really fear we are going to get a Boris goverment if he deals with the brexit party in the right way to win an election.
Hope he balls it up, like i say despite my still brexit supporting views i see him as a far bigger danger.
Yeah I realise Parliament closes down for the election, but I wouldn't have thought it would close down immediately it was announced. But as I said, I don't know that for sure. What I do know for sure is that Parliament has a speaker who will make sure that no deal becomes part of the agenda. How you get from there to getting the EU to agree a further extension is another matter. But what you can bank on is the remain dominant house doing their level best to make it happen.

When we come out of all this I think you'll see a different parliament given the number of new precedents that will have been set, plus some new fixed rules and regulations for the speaker.
 
Do you think he could've been Bercow or Grieve trying to undermine Brexit???

No Pete I think he was just a racist using Brexit as a way to justify his racism.

Nah it was Walter Mitty, just like that UKiP leader some years back. The astounding coincidences this persona could suddenly materialise to aid their agenda is always suspicious, for me. Also churning out personal circumstances, we are all experts in that field. The mods did well and had this persona cards, marked very early doors.
 
Next week is important but it will take something special to stop.
When they call a GE it gets suspended for them to canvas ect and stops the outgoing party putting stuff through to affect the next goverment.
The sitting goverment just gets on with it till the result of the GE comes through.
No new buisness , votes ect as by the time they are passed into law , a new make up of parliment could be in place making it a complete waste of time.
The queens speech is normally debated for 5 days afterwards so that leaves a week before brexit, for anybody to try and get something on the table and passed not normally enough time and the goverment has stuff they could fill that time slot easily to make it even harder.
If its not stopped next week ,he has played his cards well, saying that as casual viewer of it i was saying this well back in this thread so you would think full time MPs would have been ready and waiting for it.
I really fear we are going to get a Boris goverment if he deals with the brexit party in the right way to win an election.
Hope he balls it up, like i say despite my still brexit supporting views i see him as a far bigger danger.
Yeah I realise Parliament closes down for the election, but I wouldn't have thought it would close down immediately it was announced. But as I said, I don't know that for sure. What I do know for sure is that Parliament has a speaker who will make sure that no deal becomes part of the agenda. How you get from there to getting the EU to agree a further extension is another matter. But what you can bank on is the remain dominant house doing their level best to make it happen.

When we come out of all this I think you'll see a different parliament given the number of new precedents that will have been set, plus some new fixed rules and regulations for the speaker.

The Guardian sums it up tbf......

“Boris Johnson’s plan to prorogue parliament ahead of a Queen’s speech on 14 October is intended to provoke parliamentarians into blocking a no-deal Brexit, or triggering a general election through a vote of no confidence. Both are feasible in the time available.

The last time parliament stepped in to block no deal earlier in the year, the necessary legislation was passed in just three days. Johnson has deliberately left enough time for parliament to seize control again. That’s because Johnson’s real objective is to use Brexit to win a general election, rather than use a general election to secure Brexit. By forcing the hands of his opponents, he has defined the terrain for a “people versus parliament” election. Expect him to run on “Back Boris, Take Back Britain”. He will say that the only way to definitely leave on 31 October is to give him a parliamentary majority to do so. The man of Eton, Oxford and the Telegraph will position himself as the leader of the people against the hated establishment and “remainer elite”.

Johnson’s electoral strategy is simple: unite the Brexit-supporting right of politics behind him while remainers are fractured across Labour, the SNP, Liberal Democrats and Greens. Since the day he took office, Johnson has been acting to consolidate the votes of leave supporters behind him. From Brexit party supporters to leave-backing Labour voters, Johnson has sought to create a winning electoral coalition.”.....
 
Parliament would have been in recess for around 4 weeks anyway. It always does at this time of year so everybody can have their party conferences. So effectively, it's only about 4 or 5 days more I think. So the question is why do it. All he's done, in my opinion, is give everybody ammunition to have a go at him and encourage his opposition to unify against him.
It’s actually 3 weeks for the party conferences so we could be in for 2 weeks of extra shutdown.
 
The EU have had 3 years to sort out with the U.K. what happens to its peoples. The EU have done sod all to try and sort the situation.....

What does it have to do with the EU how the UK treat people living and working here? We're leaving precisely so you and other Brexiters can hold the government to account. The above seems yet another example of you passing the buck anywhere but the government. I'd love to know when this accountability you've spoken of so many times is due to start.
 
Parliment quote its non binary but we will implement the result{they were over confident they would win}

But implement what? The point Joey is parliament has had to try and get a deal as best it can. Did you just want Farage and Rees Mogg to write out a withdrawl note and every single MP to meekly sign it?
 
What does it have to do with the EU how the UK treat people living and working here? We're leaving precisely so you and other Brexiters can hold the government to account. The above seems yet another example of you passing the buck anywhere but the government. I'd love to know when this accountability you've spoken of so many times is due to start.

Sorry Bruce but I’m not passing the buck. Can you tell me what the EU will do after Oct 31st on this issue ?.....you’ve already complained about what the U.K. will do.....
 
The terms of the Settled Status scheme are quite clear, including what would happen in the event of a no deal, but then I expect you would already know that given your own personal circumstances.

Anybody already living and working in the UK come 31 October would not be affected by Patel's plans. Only those who seek to come here for work afterwards. Granted, it is a hardening of the position held by the former minister who I think was planning a more pragmatic approach with a lead in period. In that regard I think this is just her posturing/trying to impress Boris given that we have no immigration policy in place yet. Wouldn't one need to be processed through Parliament anyway?

I don't put any faith in the government's word to be honest with you, but yes, as my wife has settled status (although her document does say it is thus unless there is a change in government policy), we are hopefully okay. The remaining 2 million however, goodness only knows. It's this stark situation that is prompting so many to liken no deal to a cliff edge, as so many things change in such a huge way, and the government have done so little to prepare for it. That should worry leave and remain alike as aside from partisan differences, I'm sure most people want this process to go as smoothly as possible.
 
Sorry Bruce but I’m not passing the buck. Can you tell me what the EU will do after Oct 31st on this issue ?.....you’ve already complained about what the U.K. will do.....

Sorry, do about what? What will the EU do about how the UK treat EU citizens? I believe the withdrawal agreement May negotiated secured the rights of both EU and UK citizens, but god only knows what the state of play is for Brits in Europe should Johnson yank us out with no deal. As someone backing such an action, it's kinda sad that you seem to have no idea either.
 
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