Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Jebus_lives]

When you say 'We' which country are you referring to?

You need to be more specific with your questions and read the replies so we don't have to repeatedly ask you to clarify your questions.

I will try to answer but you have to tell me which country you mean by 'We.'

We have had Irish and all 4 home countries represented here so can you please clarify your question.

I've already answered this. It's ok for you to admit you've no idea.

 

[RichardP]

Do you have the figures for how many refugees we've taken from the EU?

And when you say refugees, do you mean genuine refugees, accepted as such or economic migrants who were free from persecution when they landed in Greece, Italy, Malta, Cyprus etc?

 

[Jebus_lives]

A small margin of error was acknowledged but expert opinions say it is very small.

The woman whose data was used to make the estimate has urged caution in it's use.

Oh and experts, as we are repeatedly told by leave voters, no nothing.

 

[RichardP]

I've already answered this. It's ok for you to admit you've n

I've already answered this. It's ok for you to admit you've no idea.

Can you show me where please?

 

[Jebus_lives]

And when you say refugees, do you mean genuine refugees, accepted as such or economic migrants who were free from persecution when they landed in Greece, Italy, Malta, Cyprus etc?

You made the claim. Let's try for both.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

To be fair to BoJo, he has already pumped £ billions into NHS and is recruiting 20000 police officers. A small start I grant you but more than May ever did.

More lies. Johnson hasn't given any new money to the NHS.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The UK.

Don't tell @peteblue he hates a lazy poster

 

[Jebus_lives]

More lies. Johnson hasn't given any new money to the NHS.

It does feel like he's a few messages short of blaming the EU for banning salt.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

I am just projecting ahead and asking how you think this situation may affect Labour in a GE. Badly would be my answer.

I think that it will affect Labour badly, but this should not imply that I am a rabid Labour supporter, although I much prefer them to those Tory idiots, who lie far more than Labour (who are no angels in the truth stakes), but I do see merits in the argument that says that we were lied to and therefore some sort of new vote should take place. I suppose it is the political equivalent of VAR! I am not the slightest bit bothered in which party proposes a further vote. I don't see anyone going down my united Ireland proposal route, hence my support for a further vote. I do not see merit in your reasoning that 'they're all at it' so all is okay. My examples regarding Ireland are what I use to explain my contempt for the British political elite, and to be honest with you if the British people were informed about what the British military have done in Ireland over the years we would have have ceded the Irish bit of "our precious Union" years ago. My cousin was in the British military years ago and he's another that obeys orders without question, like yourself. He lives away from Liverpool too.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Tusk's poker face

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

And when you say refugees, do you mean genuine refugees, accepted as such or economic migrants who were free from persecution when they landed in Greece, Italy, Malta, Cyprus etc?

Not sure it matters whatever people reasons, if their destination when landing in Greece, Italy, Malta Cyprus is the UK, can't see why we should be demanding they stop these people reaching us, unless they obvious known criminals at large of course.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

And when you say refugees, do you mean genuine refugees, accepted as such or economic migrants who were free from persecution when they landed in Greece, Italy, Malta, Cyprus etc?

The statistical breakdown for both would be great to move the debate on

 

[RichardP]

I think that it will affect Labour badly, but this should not imply that I am a rabid Labour supporter, although I much prefer them to those Tory idiots, who lie far more than Labour (who are no angels in the truth stakes), but I do see merits in the argument that says that we were lied to and therefore some sort of new vote should take place. I suppose it is the political equivalent of VAR! I am not the slightest bit bothered in which party proposes a further vote. I don't see anyone going down my united Ireland proposal route, hence my support for a further vote. I do not see merit in your reasoning that 'they're all at it' so all is okay. My examples regarding Ireland are what I use to explain my contempt for the British political elite, and to be honest with you if the British people were informed about what the British military have done in Ireland over the years we would have have ceded the Irish bit of "our precious Union" years ago. My cousin was in the British military years ago and he's another that obeys orders without question, like yourself. He lives away from Liverpool too.

Thanks for the well considered and thought out reply.

I don't see how we can solve multiple problems at the same time and I don't profess to be an expert but brexit is the subject at hand and I think it needs resolving first.

Subsequently, I believe in the right to self determination so if the people of Northern Ireland want a vote on union with Ireland or to become independent in their own right or to remain in UK, and vote yes to union with Ireland, and if Ireland has a separate vote (in the event of a yes to join Ireland vote in the north) to decide if it wants union with the north then I think that has to be respected.

We have already had such a vote in Scotland and, despite the hissy fits of the SNP, Scotland voted to remain as part of UK.

Obeying orders without question is a matter of judgement. Time being the main player. If there is time to consider, question and possibly challenge, then it has been done. When the missiles are in the air and you hear 'hard left, NOW' that would not be a good time to start a conversation on the subject.

My connections with Liverpool are tenuous. I grew up in Lincolnshire but my best friend was (and still is) a rabid Evertonian. I was therefore 'converted' at a very early age and have followed Everton for almost 50 years now.

Having spent the last 23 years working outside UK it is not easy to get to Goodison and I watch most games on tv.

I lived in Brunei from 1996-2005 and got to know Mick Lyons reasonably well when he was manager of the Brunei national team. What a guy.

Nice to have a civil conversation even if our views may be different. That is usually the way to an amicable solution.

 

[RichardP]

Not sure it matters whatever people reasons, if their destination when landing in Greece, Italy, Malta Cyprus is the UK, can't see why we should be demanding they stop these people reaching us, unless they obvious known criminals at large of course.

That is where we differ. I am firmly of the opinion that we should help those genuinely in need but that such help should be provided by a UN standing Army for security and a UN infrastructure with sufficient manpower and huge facilities (mobile hospitals, engineers, construction workets, police, etc) to assist. That way, no country is overrun with refugees or migrants, many of whom struggle or choose not to assimmilate and we can then concentrate on fixing their problems in situ.

A big undertaking but when you look at the cost of welfare, housing, negative impact on law order, economy etc, a price worth paying.

Sadly, I can't see it happening anytime soon but it is the long term solution.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

have already had such a vote in Scotland and, despite the hissy fits of the SNP, Scotland voted to remain as part of UK.

Being part of the EU was huge part of the Scottish independence referendum, weeks were spent discussing whether or not Scotland could remain in the EU while leaving UK...