Current Affairs EU In or Out

[RichardP]

Given the referendum wasn't based around constituencies, it's pretty difficult to say with certainty what the constituency actual voted for.

How did different constituencies vote in the 2016 EU referendum? – Full Fact

These figures about how constituencies voted in the referendum show the right general pattern according to best estimates.

fullfact.org

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

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The most damning evidence to date that Scotland and and NI should not be dragged out of the EU to appease English aspirations.

 

[RichardP]

There is a deliberate misunderstanding, and that misunderstanding is dividing the country into Leave vs Remain camps without taking any account of anything else.

There are areas - the majority of those 90 seats - that voted Leave largely because they've been devastated economically for the past fifty years. If Labour were still a party of pro-EU, being "pro business" (ie: pro agency work, pro outsourcing etc), pro-"fairness" and basically giving not two figs about their core vote then yes, they'd probably see their vote share go down (as they did in 2001, 2005, 2010 and 2015) and they'd probably lose some of those seats.

The problem Boris has is that Labour are not that party any more, visibly.

Well, I think we shall find out soon enough and my thoughts are a tory brexit party coalition with a substantial working majority.

 

[Jebus_lives]

When you say 'We' to which particular country are you referring?

The telepathy isn't working too well today, can we try the Queen's English please.

Do you have an answer to this, because, like you, my telepathy isn't work too well.

How did different constituencies vote in the 2016 EU referendum? – Full Fact

These figures about how constituencies voted in the referendum show the right general pattern according to best estimates.

fullfact.org

You've just stated something as fact and linked an article that says it's all an estimation. Congratulations.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

There is no deliberate misunderstanding as the figures are available by constituency.

I think it therefore fair to ask how you think a Party that campaigned for and had a manifesto of Leave (or at the minimum, vowed to respect the referendum result) and which has now transformed into a Remain party will fare in a General Election, given that 90+ of the constituencies it represents voted leave - many by a large majority.

Do you not think this could cost Labour dearly in a General Election?

You may not like referenda but that is the way we are deciding brexit and the Labour Party about turn on its policy is likely to cost it dear in an election.

They can break it down by street for all I care. Fact is, the vote was conducted (legally or illegally) on a countrywide basis. Any constituency breakdown was irrelevant, unless some advantage was to be gained in the event of your 'constituency' voting the same way/differently to the sitting MP. There wasn't, so there wasn't.

 

[RichardP]

They can break it down by street for all I care. Fact is, the vote was conducted (legally or illegally) on a countrywide basis. Any constituency breakdown was irrelevant, unless some advantage was to be gained in the event of your 'constituency' voting the same way/differently to the sitting MP. There wasn't, so there wasn't.

I am just projecting ahead and asking how you think this situation may affect Labour in a GE. Badly would be my answer.

 

[Mr. White]

Better stick to getting them from the EU then.

So, a bribe from the EU instead?

That's an expensive way to get some of your own money back.

 

[RichardP]

Do you have an answer to this, because, like you, my telepathy isn't work too well.

You've just stated something as fact and linked an article that says it's all an estimation. Congratulations.

A very accurate estimate according to all expert opinions. Of course, you don't like the figures so have to challenge them. That's fine. We understand!

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

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See these stats? Meaningless. When was the last time a party gained 68.25% of the vote in a general election? It has never happened in this country to my knowledge. Perhaps you can inform me @RichardP. Utter bobbins, and you know it.

 

[Jebus_lives]

A very accurate estimate according to all expert opinions. Of course, you don't like the figures so have to challenge them. That's fine. We understand!

Do you have the figures for how many refugees we've taken from the EU?

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

So, a bribe from the EU instead?

That's an expensive way to get some of your own money back.

How can they be a bribe from the EU when there are no votes at stake. They are genuine attempts to redistribute wealth to areas that need it.

 

[tsubaki]

Well, I think we shall find out soon enough and my thoughts are a tory brexit party coalition with a substantial working majority.

... which is clearly what most of the Press and the people who fund right-wing politics want, so perhaps. It will be an absolute, god-awful disaster though.

 

[Jebus_lives]

A very accurate estimate according to all expert opinions. Of course, you don't like the figures so have to challenge them. That's fine. We understand!

Oh and for the record...

 

[RichardP]

Do you have the figures for how many refugees we've taken from the EU?

When you say 'We' which country are you referring to?

You need to be more specific with your questions and read the replies so we don't have to repeatedly ask you to clarify your questions.

I will try to answer but you have to tell me which country you mean by 'We.'

We have had Irish and all 4 home countries represented here so can you please clarify your question.

 

[RichardP]

Oh and for the record...
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A small margin of error was acknowledged but expert opinions say it is very small.