Current Affairs EU In or Out

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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Hang on, a few weeks ago Johnson was giving the Brexiters funny groin feelings with his insistence that unless the EU was going to "drop the 'stop" he wasn't interested in talking to them. Now he's in Berlin? What's he planning to do, show Merkel in person he's not talking to her by blanking her outside her office?

Or is it just that he's all soundbite and no substance?
 
Xizor said:
Hang on, a few weeks ago Johnson was giving the Brexiters funny groin feelings with his insistence that unless the EU was going to "drop the 'stop" he wasn't interested in talking to them. Now he's in Berlin? What's he planning to do, show Merkel in person he's not talking to her by blanking her outside her office?

Or is it just that he's all soundbite and no substance?
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Its a G7 conference. But you are right.
 
peteblue said:
They caused its introduction......
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One way of putting it, another would be it was caused by the sub prime mortgage time bomb. Without Brown who led a world response it could have been a full blown depression. He also insists that there would only have needed to be a couple years of austerity had Labour won the 2010 election. So it is a Tory problem.

But I'll let you get back to snappy soundbites over facts.
 
Xizor said:
Johnson conceding to Merkel live on air that the ball is in the UK's court. Uh oh. Did he lose all the cards the UK has held since his appointment down the back of another man's wife's sofa?
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Mad isnt it? Like I consider myself to be a reasonably intelligent bloke, and not very dogmatic. Most politic stuff passes me by.But I need some help.

Together with your observation there, I was browsing the Telegraph, (get it for the crossword and sport), renowned as the mouthpiece for both Farage and Johnson. In it, Farage has a column, posted earlier I believe, basically saying that unless we leave with no deal at all, he will be a tit.

Then the Telegraph leader column says this. Bearing in mind that #1 reason for many to leave is to end free movement. "Tusk said the backstop couldnt be removed cos it prevents a hard border, (In ROI). This makes no sense. The UK Govt has made is clear it has no intention of having a hard border, (in ROI), so with No Deal the EU will have to put one there to protect its internal market".

So we dont want a hard border, ROI dont want a hard border, EU dont want a hard border, but ending freedom of movement means a hard border. Which no one wants, except the loons like Farage. Who isnt any more qualified to have a say in it than me.

Am I going mad?
 
Any freedom of movement issue is secondary. The EU need to protect their single market so this trumps (apologies) everything and rationally who can blame them. The whole referendum was a bad idea and very badly designed, run and refereed. 17.4m was not an absolute majority of those entitled to vote and now that, I feel we are better informed as regards impact, maybe we should go again. Both Boris and Corbyn are only after their own power hungry interests, we're mad to think otherwise.
 
roydo said:
Mad isnt it? Like I consider myself to be a reasonably intelligent bloke, and not very dogmatic. Most politic stuff passes me by.But I need some help.

Together with your observation there, I was browsing the Telegraph, (get it for the crossword and sport), renowned as the mouthpiece for both Farage and Johnson. In it, Farage has a column, posted earlier I believe, basically saying that unless we leave with no deal at all, he will be a tit.

Then the Telegraph leader column says this. Bearing in mind that #1 reason for many to leave is to end free movement. "Tusk said the backstop couldnt be removed cos it prevents a hard border, (In ROI). This makes no sense. The UK Govt has made is clear it has no intention of having a hard border, (in ROI), so with No Deal the EU will have to put one there to protect its internal market".

So we dont want a hard border, ROI dont want a hard border, EU dont want a hard border, but ending freedom of movement means a hard border. Which no one wants, except the loons like Farage. Who isnt any more qualified to have a say in it than me.

Am I going mad?
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It's scary, for a while now Pete has been towing the 'we don't want the hard border, the EU do' line. It came across then as petty, disingenuous maneuvering especially considering the fact that control of borders was a corner stone of the leave campaign. Now, without a general election, the Tories have installed a whole government of people who think like Pete. That's great for him but should be terrifying for everyone else.
Boris Johnson is going to the EU with what amounts to a disingenuous argument from a web forum.
What a time to be alive.
 
The binman chronicles said:
One way of putting it, another would be it was caused by the sub prime mortgage time bomb. Without Brown who led a world response it could have been a full blown depression. He also insists that there would only have needed to be a couple years of austerity had Labour won the 2010 election. So it is a Tory problem.

But I'll let you get back to snappy soundbites over facts.
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Brown was an idiot. He ‘led’ nothing, the USA took the lead, we followed......
 
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