Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Because you keep harking back to how previous generations were better, you talk as if you think 48% of the people are idiots, you moan about London constantly, about the amount of crime, about the political entities it's a member of. Patriotism is an unthinking man's curse, and you're proving it

Previous generations were different, of that there is little doubt. Every generation brings something different to the melting pot. I am currently sat with my granddaughter who is a wonderful little person, with her own opinions on everything. By the 48% are you referring to the Remain voters, because if you are I do not believe they are all idiots, they just have a different opinion to my own. I do moan about London and its crime, and with some justification I believe, and I find it difficult that some people just ‘accept’ what is going on as if it were normal. I would say that I am a patriot but not an unthinking slave to patriotism, but that’s just my opinion......

 

[dead_soft]

Previous generations were different, of that there is little doubt. Every generation brings something different to the melting pot. I am currently sat with my granddaughter who is a wonderful little person, with her own opinions on everything. By the 48% are you referring to the Remain voters, because if you are I do not believe they are all idiots, they just have a different opinion to my own. I do moan about London and its crime, and with some justification I believe, and I find it difficult that some people just ‘accept’ what is going on as if it were normal. I would say that I am a patriot but not an unthinking slave to patriotism, but that’s just my opinion......

People don't just 'accept' crime, they do accept that crime is a normal part of any society and deterrents and punishments must be put in place. Generally crime is lower than it has been.
Your dismissive attitude and refusal to actively engage with proper discussion on most points, coupled with your one liners and '...' suggest you have little time for those 48%
You go on about the war an awful lot for someone who isn't an unthinking slave to patriotism, as well as harbouring an unfounded belief that Britain has some innate quality to survive and triumph. Which is where the issues with Brexit are.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Reported you missed handsome out

I didn't Joe. In truth in my experience people that voted Brexit, and particularly those that are arguing for a No Deal now, are lacking in something. They often have a chip on their shoulder and feel a little down and aggrieved so probably not cool, suave and handsome..

 

[Jebus_lives]

People don't just 'accept' crime, they do accept that crime is a normal part of any society and deterrents and punishments must be put in place. Generally crime is lower than it has been.
Your dismissive attitude and refusal to actively engage with proper discussion on most points, coupled with your one liners and '...' suggest you have little time for those 48%
You go on about the war an awful lot for someone who isn't an unthinking slave to patriotism, as well as harbouring an unfounded belief that Britain has some innate quality to survive and triumph. Which is where the issues with Brexit are.

He doesn't use this, he uses his own ...... method. Only Pete knows what it means though...

 

[Joey66]

I didn't Joe. In truth in my experience people that voted Brexit, and particularly those that are arguing for a No Deal now, are lacking in something. They often have a chip on their shoulder and feel a little down and aggrieved so probably not cool, suave and handsome..

Democracy being overturned is more than a chip on my shoulder........

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Nice try. We’ve done the Racist bit, the older voter claim, the uneducated, now we are fanatical religious zealots. If I changed the word Brexiteer with Remainer the same claim would be recognised. The reality of course is that the Remainers believe that they are superior to those who voted Leave and therefore they should ignore the democratic vote of the people and ignore the votes previous taken within Parliament in enacting article 50. I know what I am, and my education, industrial background and experience brought me to the conclusion that leaving was in the best interests for both my country and my family. I also respect a democratic vote. Do you really know what you are ?.......

Pete straight question - do you not think it takes the mick you picking and choosing which democratic votes you choose to respect?

So the referendum in 2016 is sacrosanct and you dont want the people to vote again in 2019 with more knowledge on the matter? It would be the same people voting so how is it undemocratic?

You want parliament's vote to enact Article 50 to be respected - presumably on basis you respect MPs and the parliamentary system but then you dont want (pretty much the same) MPs to now express their free will and use the parliamentary system to stop (a No Deal) Brexit? How can you justify picking and choosing which set of MP actions to respect?

And then you always keep going on about these "Bloody Remainer MPs" going against the will of the people but you ignore the fact this Johnson government is kept afloat by a tiny group of nut job DUP MPs that are actively going against the will of the people in Northern Ireland? Explain?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Just because a government says they will do something doesn't mean they will. Manifesto promises aren't always delivered as you well know.

The reality is that it was an advisory referendum, which the government (who regularly backtracked on policy promises) said they would implement, but it was not legally binding (although it is now).

I would also suggest you look up the term ellipses...

I suspect Pete gladly overlooks Johnson's claim that there was a million to one chance of a no deal Brexit, or the claims of most of the cabinet that such a thing would be a nonsense. Indeed, as we see with the 'advice' given to May and Johnson, when the advice is opposed to Pete's point of view, it's a treasonous act by civil service snakes, but when the 'advice' is in line with Pete's point of view, it's the work of respected experts who are sagely guiding Johnson's charismatic hand. It's clear to see the common thread there...

 

[Jebus_lives]

I suspect Pete gladly overlooks Johnson's claim that there was a million to one chance of a no deal Brexit, or the claims of most of the cabinet that such a thing would be a nonsense. Indeed, as we see with the 'advice' given to May and Johnson, when the advice is opposed to Pete's point of view, it's a treasonous act by civil service snakes, but when the 'advice' is in line with Pete's point of view, it's the work of respected experts who are sagely guiding Johnson's charismatic hand. It's clear to see the common thread there...

Funnily enough I was considering a similar comment in relation to his notion of Patriotism and Democracy. If it conforms to his world view them it's logical and expert - if not then it's the work of idiots and those with an agenda.

And I still don't know what the difference between ..... and ... is?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Democracy being overturned is more than a chip on my shoulder........

Democracy discussed and voted on leaving the EU with a deal, no no deal was never contemplated... You are falling into the same trap as the ardent remainers, trying in desperation to avoid discussing certain events, just to further entrench pointless tribal positions.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I do moan about London and its crime, and with some justification I believe, and I find it difficult that some people just ‘accept’ what is going on as if it were normal.

How is the crime situation going to improve if there is mass unemployment and a feeling of no hope for the younger generation that have had benefits that you and other retirees/coming up to retirement have enjoyed over the years taken away from them...just at the point that you guys have little or no need for it?

There will be less money going into the UK coffers meaning less being spent on policing/health and social care. Unless I don't know we borrow a load of money and plunge future generations with a millstone around their necks trying to manage the national debt. Sound good to you? Least we can do I suppose, seeing you guys that grew up after the war have done so much for us.

 

[Joey66]

Democracy discussed and voted on leaving the EU with a deal, no no deal was never contemplated... You are falling into the same trap as the ardent remainers, trying in desperation to avoid discussing certain events, just to further entrench pointless tribal positions.

Look up OUT in the dictionary.......= leave that's what I voted for yes a deal would be nice but May messed it up.......
still hope for one though leaving without a deal will be hard for 6 months...... The EU would then come back around the table as the tariffs on them will hurt them the same if not more than us... it would be messy I admit.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Look up OUT in the dictionary.......= leave that's what I voted for yes a deal would be nice but May messed it up.......
still hope for one though leaving without a deal will be hard for 6 months...... The EU would then come back around the table as the tariffs on them will hurt them the same if not more than us... it would be messy I admit.......

noun

1. 1.
   INFORMAL
   a way of escaping from a problem or dilemma.

Which in your case appears to be answering simple questions.

 

[roydo]

Look up OUT in the dictionary.......= leave thats what I voted for yes a deal would be nice but May messed it up.......

So if, for example, your meds got delayed/ran out/had to be paid for by you, that would be fine?

Or if, for example, to pay for the costs associated with a No Deal, your pension was reduced, again, you would be ok with that?

 

[HeadieTwo]

if i was living in england i would say out for sure

 

[Joey66]

noun

1. 1.
   INFORMAL
   a way of escaping from a problem or dilemma.

Which in your case appears to be answering simple questions.

on the ballot paper - look that up in the dictionary Bruce.......I think Leave won by approx 1.2 million votes......Look I did post a no deal brexit was not ideal ok ......