Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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The binman chronicles said:
If it was 55/44 last time and the brexit result in Scotland was 62/38 there is at least 7% now with their noses out of joint. Plus we have Boris as PM and if his approval rating in England is not great it is going to be on the floor in Scotland. I wouldn't be so sure that they would vote the same way again.
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The problem the Scots Nats have is fishing and effectively giving back to the EU if they leave the U.K. and somehow manage to join the EU. Now there may not be a huge number of actual fishing related votes in Scotland, but it has a resonance with the people, even those in the cities......
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Fair point. Pete has offered to avoid the Irish border thread, so it seems only fair to keep the discussions associated with that in that thread.
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This isn’t the way Bruce. This way is creating a Martyr but to be fair us Paddies do enjoy that craic.

The only reason Brexit hasn’t happened is due to the British border in Ireland. It is the elephant in the room and the rest is window dressing.

Personally I would rather engage the argument than have someone crying that they can’t get involved.

Just moderate the thread as you do all the others x
 
Armaghtoffee said:
This isn’t the way Bruce. This way is creating a Martyr but to be fair us Paddies do enjoy that craic.

The only reason Brexit hasn’t happened is due to the British border in Ireland. It is the elephant in the room and the rest is window dressing.

Personally I would rather engage the argument than have someone crying that they can’t get involved.

Just moderate the thread as you do all the others x
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You may need to speak to your fellow Irish posters, for it is they who do not like to debate....for my part if it is relevant to the EU then we should have it in the EU thread, if it is purely Irish politics and border issues then put it in the other thread or even get rid of the thread and merge if you wish. But to have a little group complaining to mods that someone, myself, was upsetting their fragile minds by having a different opinion, is somewhat childish in my opinion......I do not include you in that group btw...
 
peteblue said:
The problem the Scots Nats have is fishing and effectively giving back to the EU if they leave the U.K. and somehow manage to join the EU. Now there may not be a huge number of actual fishing related votes in Scotland, but it has a resonance with the people, even those in the cities......
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Like anything people will see it from their point of view. I'm just saying that last time remain won a tight vote based on Scotland would be better off in the more predictable and stable union. Since then that has proven to be anything but.

On the positive side the oil price drops shown that they can not rely on that to boost the coffers. However I see the independence side having more joy this time especially as you yourself have admitted there will be at the very least short term pain after a no deal Brexit. Not really the best backdrop to vote to stay a part of the UK if jobs are being lost and people's quality of life has gone down.

The only way to avoid this is to leave with a healthy deal or postpone, or a second referendum that the majority of the Scots back. None of those look likely though.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Like anything people will see it from their point of view. I'm just saying that last time remain won a tight vote based on Scotland would be better off in the more predictable and stable union. Since then that has proven to be anything but.

On the positive side the oil price drops shown that they can not rely on that to boost the coffers. However I see the independence side having more joy this time especially as you yourself have admitted there will be at the very least short term pain after a no deal Brexit. Not really the best backdrop to vote to stay a part of the UK if jobs are being lost and people's quality of life has gone down.

The only way to avoid this is to leave with a healthy deal or postpone, or a second referendum that the majority of the Scots back. None of those look likely though.
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If I were a Scot looking at the NI border issue effectively being imposed by the EU, I would not be seeking a border into England........
 
peteblue said:
If I were a Scot looking at the NI border issue effectively being imposed by the EU, I would not be seeking a border into England........
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And some will but I'm betting more will have their sights trained on Westminster. After all if it wasn't for a section of the Tory party deciding they need to have a vote on this then hardly anyone would have even known about it.
 
peteblue said:
In what way ?....
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What I mean is that Cameron promised the referendum to appease the eurosceptic MPs in his party and stop Farage taking some of the Tory vote. However UKIP were never a real threat in the elections and there was no huge outcry from joe public to leave the EU. This only escalated afterwards (remember it was predicted that remain would win).

An internal Tory party conflict has brought 3 years of mayhem and paralysis to focus on anything else but Brexit. These are the people to blame, not the Scotland, not Ireland, just the Tories.
 
peteblue said:
You may need to speak to your fellow Irish posters, for it is they who do not like to debate....for my part if it is relevant to the EU then we should have it in the EU thread, if it is purely Irish politics and border issues then put it in the other thread or even get rid of the thread and merge if you wish. But to have a little group complaining to mods that someone, myself, was upsetting their fragile minds by having a different opinion, is somewhat childish in my opinion......I do not include you in that group btw...
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How can you possibly separate the British border in Ireland in the Brexit debacle at this point?

It was always going to be in the endgame. @Charlie Sweet alluded to it in the very first post in this thread.

Respectfully, I don’t think you appreciate the mindset the Irish lads on GOT have based on the war, the subsequent progress and the fragile peace process we are still establishing 21 years on.

Brexit offers nothing for Ireland.
 
The binman chronicles said:
What I mean is that Cameron promised the referendum to appease the eurosceptic MPs in his party and stop Farage taking some of the Tory vote. However UKIP were never a real threat in the elections and there was no huge outcry from joe public to leave the EU. This only escalated afterwards (remember it was predicted that remain would win).

An internal Tory party conflict has brought 3 years of mayhem and paralysis to focus on anything else but Brexit. These are the people to blame, not the Scotland, not Ireland, just the Tories.
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I’m not sure they can be blamed for giving us a vote. 33.4 million of us voted. The blame is that the political class who wanted a different result have fought tooth and nail to reverse the decision. I would certainly never blame the constituent parts of the U.K. as all they did was vote. However I have little time for those that will not accept the decision of the U.K. vote....
 
peteblue said:
Look lads it’s very simple. There is a Trump thread for Trump and a US politics thread for US politics, there is an Irish Border and Brexit thread for all things related to the Irish, it’s border and Brexit. A load of you had a whinge and put in reports to the Mods because you don’t like a different viewpoint and that was taking up Mod time. I don’t like wasting Mod time and I don’t like whingers. If you want to debate then fine, if you want to be a cryarse then go back to your Irish thread. I offered not to go in there because the sensitive souls don’t like anyone disagreeing with them. So at least give the rest of us a break from your one view Irish moaning about Brexit. Debate or don’t debate, but the moment you start crying or reporting to the Mods is just wasting their time. Mind you I expect several of your gang will now report this post......
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Ah here’s the classic crying and straw mans. Continually refuse to debate the points and then blame others before throwing a few .... in
 
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dead_soft said:
Ah here’s the classic crying and straw mans. Continually refuse to debate the points and then blame others before throwing a few .... in
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Not at all. I will debate any issue with anyone, in any thread, bar one as I made a promise. However to then have the same people who did all the crying to the mods, then put all the same Irish issues into the EU thread just because no one bothers to read or comment in the Irish Border and Brexit thread anymore is a bit much tbh...and that is my last word on the subject....
 
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