Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Khalekan]

Very left wing thinking but I like it. That one of the proposed candidates is my cousin is irrelevant

lol

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Very left wing thinking but I like it. That one of the proposed candidates is my cousin is irrelevant

Not the gorgeous Deirdre surely ?!

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Not the gorgeous Deirdre surely ?!

Nope.

Adrian.

 

[Walken]

Haven't done substantial checks, but heard the last three by elections were all leave constituencies and all three voted remain candidates in, will of the people huh

 

[Kurt.]

The problem with some people in this thread is that they expect others to come up with all the solutions, whilst coming up with none themselves. This line of enquiry is prevalent in academic circles, where a particular issue is discussed for ever and a day without anything tangible ever surfacing.

I look in on this thread and watch in fascination as one faction avidly attacks the other.

Not gonna get involved any more.

As for the name, after what that gobeen said in 1977 I wouldn't go near the name, or the person (and never did) when he was alive...

So you don’t know how to solve the Irish question then.

 

[roydo]

Haven't done substantial checks, but heard the last three by elections were all leave constituencies and all three voted remain candidates in, will of the people huh

Well yeah, but the win in Radnor would not have happened if the Tories and the BP got their act together.

That said, it is extremely rare to have MPs being elected with over 50% of the vote in any but the utter strongholds.

 

[Methuselah]

I am loving this idea from Fintan O’Toole.

Real outside the the box thinking.

Fintan O’Toole: Ireland can stop a no-deal Brexit. Here’s how

A bold move by Sinn Féin can transform the dynamics of power at Westminster

www.irishtimes.com

If there is a pay wall let me know and I will post the whole thing in the Border thread.

Well when democracy doesn't work you have to come up with weird and wonderful ideas.

 

[peteblue]

I am loving this idea from Fintan O’Toole.

Real outside the the box thinking.

Fintan O’Toole: Ireland can stop a no-deal Brexit. Here’s how

A bold move by Sinn Féin can transform the dynamics of power at Westminster

www.irishtimes.com

If there is a pay wall let me know and I will post the whole thing in the Border thread.

Not really. The point I was making was that even if the technology to control goods became available without the need for any border infrastructure that would leave the UK/EU land border wide open from the point of view of checks on immigration. That's hardly "taking back control of our borders" is it.

The UK can't have it both ways; it either takes back control or it doesn't. If it does, it tears up the GFA. And if it doesn't then in reality there is no border which makes it pointless leaving the EU in the first place.

The Leave campaign didn't consider any of this before the referendum and sold a dummy instead.

Any chance of taking this stuff back to the Irish only thread please @Bruce Wayne .....

 

[peteblue]

I would say don't even cancel article 50 but postpone until an event occurs that might give the country half a chance to be able to go through with the act (Subject to a further referendum). This might help calm the situation by saying it isn't actually scrapping brexit.

So if one of the following happens it can be revisited:

• NI leaving the UK
• Unrest that leads to a hard border on Ireland anyhow
• Scotland leaving the UK
• Another country successfully manages to leave the EU, keeping all the benefits and having the ability to control borders and make trade agreements on its own.
• Break up of the EU.

So you think the situation can be calmed by NI or Scotland leaving the U.K. or unrest in Ireland......can’t make this stuff up....

 

[peteblue]

So you don’t know how to solve the Irish question then.

Certainly, tell them to post in the Irish only thread.....

 

[The binman chronicles]

So you think the situation can be calmed by NI or Scotland leaving the U.K. or unrest in Ireland......can’t make this stuff up....

One of those events changes the probability of delivering Brexit cleanly. For example:

If NI leaves the UK = No border issues to resolve
If Scotland leave = No one to care that NI gets a special half in/out relationship.

I'm suggesting a way of trying to uphold the referendum while respecting at the moment it isn't possible. Your Brexit at any cost will fast track the break up of the UK so not sure what you are on about. You can't preserve the UK and have a no deal.

 

[Khalekan]

Well when democracy doesn't work you have to come up with weird and wonderful ideas.

Indeed.


Suggesting novel ways for people to take seats they were elected to is a very undemocratic way of doing things.

Or maybe you are happy that the voice of the NI population against Brexit, the majority voice in the Euro elections as it happens, continues to go unheard and unrepresented in Westminster debates.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Any chance of taking this stuff back to the Irish only thread please @Bruce Wayne .....

Fair point. Pete has offered to avoid the Irish border thread, so it seems only fair to keep the discussions associated with that in that thread.

 

[Khalekan]

Fair point. Pete has offered to avoid the Irish border thread, so it seems only fair to keep the discussions associated with that in that thread.

This topic is not specific to the border nor indeed about Ireland.

It is a plan to increase anti Brexit representation in Westminster with an aim of stopping Brexit altogether..

As such it very much comes under the heading “EU In or Out” IMO.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Any chance of taking this stuff back to the Irish only thread please @Bruce Wayne .....

There is no "Irish only" thread. There is a thread in which it was suggested you stop posting because of the continuous antagonism caused by your bigoted views, and now you are crying to the mods about it. Pathetic.

My comment was in response to Chris's point about the difference between goods checks and immigration checks and so is directly relevant to this thread and Brexit, where you and your fantasists are claiming to have "taken back control of our borders" which is an outright lie and that needs to be pointed out.