Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Ruairi77 said:
Given the handling of the brexit process so far, even if the UK gets a good trade deal and there's an agreement on the Irish border, a lot of people in Scotland and N.Ireland will be calling for a vote.
Brexit ignored the democratic wishes of those countries.
The minute the referendum was called it was all about damage limitation, unfortunately it turns out the Tories and Labour are no good at damage limitation and Farage and his merry band of idiots have no interest in damage limitation, to the continuing detriment of everybody in the UK.
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The member countries of the UK were members of the EU as the UK. Not as individual countries. So the Brexit vote was taken as a collective. It could not have been done any other way. Once the outcome of the vote was to leave, I'm not quite sure what could have been done to respect their democratic wishes. As far as the EU was concerned, the people of Scotland and NI were just citizens of the UK, in much the same way as London, Manchester and Liverpool who all voted strongly to remain.

The MPs representing the people of Scotland and NI have had an opportunity to avoid a no deal Brexit by voting for the deal that had been agreed with the EU. This was by all accounts a soft Brexit to the extent that members of the ERG and supporters of the subsequent Brexit party referred to it as treason. In fact May eventually lost her job because she was willing to concede too much. But it honoured the Good Friday agreement and set the scene for a good trade deal going forward, and maybe even a customs union. But the vast majority (possibly all) of MPs representing Scotland and NI either voted against it or refused to vote at all. In fact they voted against every single version of Brexit put forward in the indicative votes.

I have no idea where this is all going next. But the current legal default position as far as the EU is concerned is that we will leave with no deal on 3st October, unless the deal on the table is somehow miraculously phoenixed, or article 50 is revoked.

If we do leave, with or without a deal, the chances are the majority of people in Scotland and NI may still be unhappy. If they put being in the EU as more important than being in the UK, then they should, in my opinion, be given the opportunity to vote on leaving the UK and joining the EU.
 
Walken said:
Nothing funny about promoting a money grubbing beaut like farage, if you want to make any sincere arguments for leaving then it would be a poor choice to use him as your standard bearer
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Sorry but everything he claims about the EU is spot on ........ how many MEPs after 8 weeks of party formation did he get to your left wing marxist leader of your party?........
 
Joey66 said:
Sorry but everything he claims about the EU is spot on ........ how many MEPs after 8 weeks of party formation did he get to your left wing marxist leader of your party?........
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Let’s be honest joe .... not everyone who voted Brexit party is racist... but all racists voted for the Brexit party
 
Barnfred 55 said:
The member countries of the UK were members of the EU as the UK. Not as individual countries. So the Brexit vote was taken as a collective. It could not have been done any other way. Once the outcome of the vote was to leave, I'm not quite sure what could have been done to respect their democratic wishes. As far as the EU was concerned, the people of Scotland and NI were just citizens of the UK, in much the same way as London, Manchester and Liverpool who all voted strongly to remain.

The MPs representing the people of Scotland and NI have had an opportunity to avoid a no deal Brexit by voting for the deal that had been agreed with the EU. This was by all accounts a soft Brexit to the extent that members of the ERG and supporters of the subsequent Brexit party referred to it as treason. In fact May eventually lost her job because she was willing to concede too much. But it honoured the Good Friday agreement and set the scene for a good trade deal going forward, and maybe even a customs union. But the vast majority (possibly all) of MPs representing Scotland and NI either voted against it or refused to vote at all. In fact they voted against every single version of Brexit put forward in the indicative votes.

I have no idea where this is all going next. But the current legal default position as far as the EU is concerned is that we will leave with no deal on 3st October, unless the deal on the table is somehow miraculously phoenixed, or article 50 is revoked.

If we do leave, with or without a deal, the chances are the majority of people in Scotland and NI may still be unhappy. If they put being in the EU as more important than being in the UK, then they should, in my opinion, be given the opportunity to vote on leaving the UK and joining the EU.
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But as you said, it was a U.K. vote, not a Scotland, NI, Liverpool or London vote. So doesLondon get a chance to remain within the EU ?. We voted as the U.K. we leave as the U.K......
 
Kurt said:
Let’s be honest joe .... not everyone who voted Brexit party is racist... but all racists voted for the Brexit party
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Not everyone Kurt.

I spoke to some slug I vaguely knew in my local pub not long after the referendum. He said he'd voted to remain basically because he hated the East Europeans less than he hated the Blacks and Asians. But I agree with you in that he was probably one of the few racists who isn't too thick to realise that ending free movement with the EU will actually open the door to increased immigration from outside the EU, and that these will most likely be predominantly of none white ethnicity.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Not everyone Kurt.

I spoke to some slug I vaguely knew in my local pub not long after the referendum. He said he'd voted to remain basically because he hated the East Europeans less than he hated the Blacks and Asians. But I agree with you in that he was probably one of the few racists who isn't too thick to realise that ending free movement with the EU will actually open the door to increased immigration from outside the EU, and that these will most likely be predominantly of none white ethnicity.
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Exactly, not all Remainers are racist but all racists voted Remain.......
 
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