Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Hope it will never. Be invoked.. Referendum is advisory.. Has to be passed. As an act of parliament..possible general election
Good to know that you have so much respect for your fellow countrymen/woman's (the majority) right's and democracy. There doesn't need to be a General Election at all, it does need to be rectified by Parliament and the house of Lords (aka freeloaders) but there's no way they will overturn and mandate given to them by over 17million voter's. Face the fact's, a democratic vote was held and you lost. DEAL WITH IT!
 
Good to know that you have so much respect for your fellow countrymen/woman's (the majority) right's and democracy. There doesn't need to be a General Election at all, it does need to be rectified by Parliament and the house of Lords (aka freeloaders) but there's no way they will overturn and mandate given to them by over 17million voter's. Face the fact's, a democratic vote was held and you lost. DEAL WITH IT!

I dont think it is about disrespecting other folks views mate, and speaking an unenthusiastic Remain voter, it is just that the absolute shambles since the result was probably not realised by a lot of people. Me included.

As I posted a few days back, such is the febrile state of of the whole thing, another vote, based on what we now know, (no £350m pw for the NHS as the obvious example) along the lines of "Are you sure?", might be a more responsible approach.

Once done, it cant be undone this leaving lark. And I reckon a lot of folk, outside of the enthusiasts on both sides, might like a second stab, or cross, now.
 
First of all you got the 'like' for the Lower Gwladys comment and nothing else! Lower Gwladys 4 Life!;)

I would still dispute that either the Common Market or the EU has played a major part in the prevention of war during its existence. The presence of troops in Germany was obviously the key component. We then have only the time from the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Fall of the USSR. I'm sorry but I still don't see any real MAJOR threat's the EU (or whatever) has helped to prevent during that time. If anything it's free movement law is the reason the terrorists responsible for the atrocities in France were able to evade capture for as long as they did.
If only the EU was the place you wish it was, a place were we discusse laws, trade agreement and common rights ect. I'd be all of that, that's what we signed up for in the first place. But what we have is political union of member states, controlled by unelected bureaucrats that answer to nobody and we cannot remove. I'm sorry but I never wanted this and I won't vote for it.
Agree to disagree - Even agree the EU needs fixing. But we can't do that on the outside.
 
The new PM will trigger it legal challenge or not, the referendrum according to the latest UK law according to the great historian Jacob Rees Mogg is the last constitution law is binding!
Jacob Rees Mogg is a politician. He experience is in emerging capital markets. He has got a degree in history - I have one too. I don't think he is a lawyer. I am. I think you may be hard pressed to find a lawyer who agrees the referendumn is binding. Invoking Article 50 will overrule the European Communites Act 1972. The Crown's prerogative (exercised by the Prime Minister) is all very well for entering into treaties. But it cannot overrule an Act of Parliament. Otherwise ministers would be free to abolish or change any legislation they did not like left, right and centre. The government will have to pass an Act which effectively repeals the 1972 Act (incidentally demonstrating that parliament is and always has been sovereign), and approves the Article 50 action. As two thirds of MPs, and the House of Lords, were firmly against leaving the EU, this is when the next few months will become "interesting" - but not in a good way.
The Act enabling the referendum did not set out any necessary consequences if any particular voting threshold was crossed. Perhaps it should have done. But as it stands it is essentially advisory. Of course, it would need a PM with large (figurative) cohones to ignore it. A general election, or a second referendum, may be the only way to clear the air.
What a mess!
 
A general election, or a second referendum, may be the only way to clear the air.
What a mess!

So you've got a degree in history - what have you done with it? So you're a lawyer. Does that make you more in touch with the wishes of the population than others...?

Another bleeding heart referencing a second referendum...

The air is quite clear. A voting majority of the UK wanted out. Period...

The mess is being caused by the obfuscation such as you (and a great many others) show muddying the waters...
 
As I posted a few days back, such is the febrile state of of the whole thing, another vote, based on what we now know, (no £350m pw for the NHS as the obvious example) along the lines of "Are you sure?", might be a more responsible approach.

Once done, it cant be undone this leaving lark. And I reckon a lot of folk, outside of the enthusiasts on both sides, might like a second stab, or cross, now.

ANy sensible thinking person knew that there would not be £350m pw for the NHS. Any sensible thinking person knew that out of every £350m snet to the EU, we received a certain amount back. That results in a NET figure over to the EU. Blindingly obvious.

Second stab? Let's keep going at it innumerable times until the Remain section of the country get their way. Absolutely small-minded and pathetic thinking...
 
I dont think it is about disrespecting other folks views mate, and speaking an unenthusiastic Remain voter, it is just that the absolute shambles since the result was probably not realised by a lot of people. Me included.

As I posted a few days back, such is the febrile state of of the whole thing, another vote, based on what we now know, (no £350m pw for the NHS as the obvious example) along the lines of "Are you sure?", might be a more responsible approach.

Once done, it cant be undone this leaving lark. And I reckon a lot of folk, outside of the enthusiasts on both sides, might like a second stab, or cross, now.

I'm sorry mate but democracy doesn't work like that. We can't go down the road of ignoring election/referendum's (and holding a new one is basically just ignoring the last) no matter how much we may dislike the results or how I'll informed some of the voters. What exactly happens if the remain camp win the rerun and the leave side demand a third? How could we possibly deny them it? How would the second referendum have any authority or be superior to the first? Do you think we should go two out of three? Democracy is sacrosanct mate, I know that sounds a little holier then thou but it's true. Democracy, our right's to be heard and the will of the minority cannot be touched, if we do how long before the government try's to overturn an election they don't win? Yes it seems unlikely now but this is how things start. We let the government erode a little tiny bit of our rights and the next thing you know our grandchildren won't even remember they had rights like that. We aren't some Banana republic or fascist state, we're a democratic country which has many, many, MANY faults but supposedly we respect democracy in action and that's what separates us and the rest of the free world from place's like North Korea and Zimbabwe.

To quote Churchill 'democracy is the worst form of government in the world, apart from all the others!'
 
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Jacob Rees Mogg is a politician. He experience is in emerging capital markets. He has got a degree in history - I have one too. I don't think he is a lawyer. I am. I think you may be hard pressed to find a lawyer who agrees the referendumn is binding. Invoking Article 50 will overrule the European Communites Act 1972. The Crown's prerogative (exercised by the Prime Minister) is all very well for entering into treaties. But it cannot overrule an Act of Parliament. Otherwise ministers would be free to abolish or change any legislation they did not like left, right and centre. The government will have to pass an Act which effectively repeals the 1972 Act (incidentally demonstrating that parliament is and always has been sovereign), and approves the Article 50 action. As two thirds of MPs, and the House of Lords, were firmly against leaving the EU, this is when the next few months will become "interesting" - but not in a good way.
The Act enabling the referendum did not set out any necessary consequences if any particular voting threshold was crossed. Perhaps it should have done. But as it stands it is essentially advisory. Of course, it would need a PM with large (figurative) cohones to ignore it. A general election, or a second referendum, may be the only way to clear the air.
What a mess!
My eyes bleed reading that rot!
 
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