Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

In the Brexit negotiations you mean?. Never.

We handed them the initiative the moment we evoked article 50 without an agreed plan that had enough support to be carried through Parliament.

By OldBlue's personal admission, many Brexit voters voted despite having no clue as to how to proceed because none of those campaigning for it ever published any kind of plan or manifesto to get behind. That's a huge factor not only in the shambolic way the government has behaved, but also the fact that even now there is no unifying vision of just what Brexit actually means.

The fact that we followed that up with a second rate negotiating team of career politicians, rather than a team of European experts in law, commerce and industry just made matters 10 times worse. We grossly underestimated the opposition from the start.

That's because all of those people said we should stay in and were dismissed on the basis that we don't need experts anyway. This is like the Irish border, this continual belief that there's a world class team or technology that will solve all of our problems but for some reason they're stuck on the sideline twiddling their thumbs. They don't exist. They've never existed, and the only thing stopping your acceptance that they don't exist is the continued belief in the fairy tale you were spun about Brexit.

 

[Frang]

By OldBlue's personal admission, many Brexit voters voted despite having no clue as to how to proceed because none of those campaigning for it ever published any kind of plan or manifesto to get behind. That's a huge factor not only in the shambolic way the government has behaved, but also the fact that even now there is no unifying vision of just what Brexit actually means.



That's because all of those people said we should stay in and were dismissed on the basis that we don't need experts anyway. This is like the Irish border, this continual belief that there's a world class team or technology that will solve all of our problems but for some reason they're stuck on the sideline twiddling their thumbs. They don't exist. They've never existed, and the only thing stopping your acceptance that they don't exist is the continued belief in the fairy tale you were spun about Brexit.

once may goes and the Tories realise that their only way out of this is to appoint a brexiteer as their leader, we will actually get to see Brexit being delivered as it should have been 3 years ago. not with a staunch remainer in charge who never once had the her country in mind during the negotiations..

shame on her

and well done to the people who fought to oust her and not to deliver this fake bexit nonsense that weve had to endure the last few crazy months.

lets start again and lets actually leave the EU , and REMAIN in a strong position.

 

[abelard]

once may goes and the Tories realise that their only way out of this is to appoint a brexiteer as their leader, we will actually get to see Brexit being delivered as it should have been 3 years ago. not with a staunch remainer in charge who never once had the her country in mind during the negotiations..

shame on her

and well done to the people who fought to oust her and not to deliver this fake bexit nonsense that weve had to endure the last few crazy months.

lets start again and lets actually leave the EU , and REMAIN in a strong position.

Mods, is it possible to ban him from liking my posts?

It makes my soul feel unclean.

 

[Frang]

Mods, is it possible to ban him from liking my posts?

It makes my soul feel unclean.

I like all your posts ...

you speak sense, normally.

 

[abelard]

you speak sense, normally.

Hearing that from you makes me doubt it though

 

[Frang]

Hearing that from you makes me doubt it though

deep down you agree with what i say.

 

[Barnfred 55]

You mean the terms of Article 50 that the UK will have helped to draft whilst a member of the EU?

Taken from your favourite Institute of Govt website.

We clearly called for them to run alongside each other. EU says "Non" "Nein" "Nee" "No" "Oxi" "Nie" "Nao" "Ne"

	What the Article 50 letter says	What the European Council says	What their position means
How the negotiations will be conducted
Sequencing of the negotiations	“We believe it is necessary to agree the terms of our future partnership alongside those of our withdrawal from the EU.”	The EU insists on a so-called “phased approach to negotiations”. “The European Council will…determine when sufficient progress has been achieved to allow negotiations to proceed to the next phase.”

 

[roydo]

once may goes and the Tories realise that their only way out of this is to appoint a brexiteer as their leader, we will actually get to see Brexit being delivered as it should have been 3 years ago. not with a staunch remainer in charge who never once had the her country in mind during the negotiations..

shame on her

and well done to the people who fought to oust her and not to deliver this fake bexit nonsense that weve had to endure the last few crazy months.

lets start again and lets actually leave the EU , and REMAIN in a strong position.

You have a weird way of reading this.

 

[Frang]

You have a weird way of reading this.

I probably do to most..

but does any of it make any sense??

what the right way of looking into it ?

 

[roydo]

I probably do to most..

but does any of it make any sense??

what the right way of looking into it ?

Its a far more nuanced situation than one that could be solved by a Brexiteer leader. Nothing has changed, not even a little bit.

 

[Frang]

Its a far more nuanced situation than one that could be solved by a Brexiteer leader. Nothing has changed, not even a little bit.

well it has really, seeing as 75% of the tories want a no deal / leave the EU ..

get the right leader, aka, a brexiteer , then things will get moving

 

[roydo]

well it has really, seeing as 75% of the tories want a no deal / leave the EU ..

get the right leader, aka, a brexiteer , then things will get moving

How?

Oh, hang on, you dont care about anything but leaving, no deal would be sound. No point in carrying on I am afraid.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Taken from your favourite Institute of Govt website.

We clearly called for them to run alongside each other. EU says "Non" "Nein" "Nee" "No" "Oxi" "Nie" "Nao" "Ne"

	What the Article 50 letter says	What the European Council says	What their position means
How the negotiations will be conducted
Sequencing of the negotiations	“We believe it is necessary to agree the terms of our future partnership alongside those of our withdrawal from the EU.”	The EU insists on a so-called “phased approach to negotiations”. “The European Council will…determine when sufficient progress has been achieved to allow negotiations to proceed to the next phase.”

Article 50 doesn't say that though? Below is the exact text. It's only a few paragraphs long so I'm not sure where they found what you've quoted.

EUR-Lex - 12012M050 - EN - EUR-Lex

eur-lex.europa.eu

1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

 

[DanEFC92]

Couldn't agree more err Rylan

 

[Frang]

How?

Oh, hang on, you dont care about anything but leaving, no deal would be sound. No point in carrying on I am afraid.

you got it mate.

get on with what the whole thing was about in the first place . LEAVING THE EU

its been so twisted and convoluted over the last 3 years , every single remainer thinks that the leavers will just put up with staying in the EU in all but name.

never going to happen.

I hope Johnson gets in and gets us out on October 31st and we can put this thread to bed.

ive had enough of it all.