Current Affairs EU In or Out

[SNova]

I think those statistic raise big questions, such as who are the muppet 4% of UKIP supporters voting remain?

I laughed at that too. I mean honest to God.

 

[roydo]

I think those statistic raise big questions, such as who are the muppet 4% of UKIP supporters voting remain?

Seems odd.

 

[SNova]

All those strawman arguments in one text. Wew lad

 

[Rob17896]

Nobody is claiming that the UK does not need to import any goods.

A weaker pound makes foreign goods more expensive here, hence leading British consumers to purchase fewer imports and encouraging them to instead turn to buying more domestically-produced goods, hence increasing domestic aggregate demand, and thus lowering unemployment, etc.

This is why Martin Wolf wrote that the fall in sterling "might cushion the effect [of Brexit] on output, at least in the medium term."

A fall in the value of a currency is not always and automatically a bad thing.

Whilst being very much an 'in' in relation to a re-balance of the economy I did hear a very rational leave argument today.
A weaker pound makes exports easier. Manufacturing will get a boost from that along with other exports. Our balance of payments is awful because the pound is too strong and has been for a long time. Stronger manufacturing should increase work in midlands and north, therefore if we put sufficient training in place this could be very useful. Further they went on to say we should exit single market as trade tariffs tend to be around 3% and the fall in currency will more than compensate.
This does not deal with many important issues but it was a clear and calm argument relating to the economy and was the first sensible leave argument I have heard.

 

[summerisle]

The writings on the wall. (EU visitor centre)

He thought that Europe should be united but without Britain.

http://spartacus-educational.com/SPYkerrP.htm

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Whilst being very much an 'in' in relation to a re-balance of the economy I did hear a very rational leave argument today.
A weaker pound makes exports easier. Manufacturing will get a boost from that along with other exports. Our balance of payments is awful because the pound is too strong and has been for a long time. Stronger manufacturing should increase work in midlands and north, therefore if we put sufficient training in place this could be very useful. Further they went on to say we should exit single market as trade tariffs tend to be around 3% and the fall in currency will more than compensate.
This does not deal with many important issues but it was a clear and calm argument relating to the economy and was the first sensible leave argument I have heard.

arent the markets all back to normal now, as they were pre referendum?

 

[Old Blue 2]

I can hardly see the UK military being disbanded in favour of an EU military if we aren't in the EU mate.

If you read my posts properly, you will see that I said that the talk was on 16th June, pre-Referendum...

 

[Seanjd]

If you read my posts properly, you will see that I said that the talk was on 16th June, pre-Referendum...

Why do you make every post personal in some way? 'If you read my posts properly'. Just chill out.

I did read it properly. I know he said it before the referendum. He still said the military would be replaced by an EU military in 15 years so I made a joke to point out that just in case he wasn't wrong when he said it, he definitely is wrong now.

 

[hullefc]

Whilst being very much an 'in' in relation to a re-balance of the economy I did hear a very rational leave argument today.
A weaker pound makes exports easier. Manufacturing will get a boost from that along with other exports. Our balance of payments is awful because the pound is too strong and has been for a long time. Stronger manufacturing should increase work in midlands and north, therefore if we put sufficient training in place this could be very useful. Further they went on to say we should exit single market as trade tariffs tend to be around 3% and the fall in currency will more than compensate.
This does not deal with many important issues but it was a clear and calm argument relating to the economy and was the first sensible leave argument I have heard.

That works in theory until the other countries/EU devalue the Euro, then there is a currency trade war spiral downwards. This was the main reason the Germans pushed for a single currency.

 

[Rob17896]

arent the markets all back to normal now, as they were pre referendum?

Not the currency. My point was not that, it was just the first calm and rational leave argument I had heard without the racism, jingoism and false promises.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Why do you make every post personal in some way? 'If you read my posts properly'. Just chill out.

I did read it properly. I know he said it before the referendum. He still said the military would be replaced by an EU military in 15 years so I made a joke to point out that just in case he wasn't wrong when he said it, he definitely is wrong now.

It wasn't personal, it was the way it appeared you belittled my post, that's all. Stick an emoticon in, and then we'll all see it as a joke. We both know something can 'get lost in translation' in a two-dimensional media. That's all. To expand on what he said (which you may find interesting, I did): the continual downsizing of the Army; the unification of Army units; more and more joint exercises; more and more joint missions in war zones; centralisation of Command structures in the EU forces, all this pointed to things going in one direction - a unified single EU force with a unified EU command structure. Whether he is correct or not, I don't know, but from one who is on the inside, interesting...

 

[joey_macmo]

arent the markets all back to normal now, as they were pre referendum?

Not even close

 

[Seanjd]

It wasn't personal, it was the way it appeared you belittled my post, that's all. Stick an emoticon in, and then we'll all see it as a joke. We both know something can 'get lost in translation' in a two-dimensional media. That's all. To expand on what he said (which you may find interesting, I did): the continual downsizing of the Army; the unification of Army units; more and more joint exercises; more and more joint missions in war zones; centralisation of Command structures in the EU forces, all this pointed to things going in one direction - a unified single EU force with a unified EU command structure. Whether he is correct or not, I don't know, but from one who is on the inside, interesting...

I don't know much about the military, although my wife was in the Navy, but surely countries have been working in conjunction and carrying out joint exercises for ages?

I just can't see national defences being replaced by one EU defence, but that's because I can't see countries in general being replaced by one big federal Europe.

To come to the conclusion that our army would be replaced by a European army, you would also have to agree that full on federalism is in the cards. So the first is just a product of the second. That doesn't take great military insight if you're a eurosceptic. My conclusion, the guy is a eurosceptic regardless of his military experience, which is fine.

 

[bizzaro]

Ok mate, I'll break it down for you. The EU is the collective body of the current 28 member states. The EU itself is run by the following five institutions: The European Council, the council of the European Union, The European Parliament, the European Commission and the European Court of Justice. Our good friend Jean-Claude Junker is the current president of the commission, just as the the equally revolting Martin Schultz is the president of the European Parliament. Does that clear anything up mate?

But that's not the EU is it?

The EU is the member states. Each with a member of elected government of each member state on the European Council. The membership which signed the treaties of the the European Union.

That is the European Union

 

[bizzaro]

I don't know much about the military, although my wife was in the Navy, but surely countries have been working in conjunction and carrying out joins exercises for ages?

I just can't see national defences being replaced by one EU defence, but that's because I can't see countries in general being replaced by one big federal Europe.

To come to the conclusion that our army would be replaced by a European army, you would also have to agree that full on federalism is in the cards. So the first is just a product of the second. That doesn't take great military insight if you're a eurosceptic.

The European Union will never replace NATO.

The UK would never of joined a single European integrated military. Ever.

The Western European Union pre- existed before the EU. Certain EU members might have joined a single command structure but the UK would never of signed up to a treaty involving this. Which would of been needed. Since the UK has always considered NATO as the cornerstone of security.

It's a false argument.

The treaty of Lisbon also only included provisions to support collective security. Not replace existing structures.