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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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Not acceptable Bruce you are protecting this poster out of the blue he drops that in sorry but taking it to your boss
Joe if you’ve highlighted something to us at least let us investigate before kicking off please.

Referencing our chat about Guy Fawkes intentions when plotting the overthrow of the King.
Ok so not insinuating anything then?

@Bruce Wayne I’m accepting this explanation, you?
 
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She's been quite smart there

Either he helps and shares the blame, or he refuses and "puts his party before the country" to which she can shrug and go "Oh well, I tried at least"

She's played a bit of blinder actually
Really its what she should have done months ago. She should have done it immediately after the GE result when it was clear there was no majority in the Commons anymore.
 
No, not really. As Larry says, not all of the mods take such a lenient approach to your antics Frank, and given that not much of an excuse would be needed, I would strongly recommend you stop stirring the pot. You've had plenty of rope down the years, but patience isn't infinite.
Crikey. OK.
 
Joe if you’ve highlighted something to us at least let us investigate before kicking off please.


Ok so not insinuating anything then?

@Bruce Wayne I’m accepting this explanation, you?

That's my interpretation of it Grouch. I should add that whilst Joe is undoubtedly a barmpot, he's our barmpot and very much a part of the community here. I doubt anyone would wish ill of him, even if he can drive us up the wall.
 
Joe if you’ve highlighted something to us at least let us investigate before kicking off please.
Fair enough , I got told off, but I still am very upset - a post over a week ago no young catholic girl mentioned linked to me on a thread I have not visited this thread am before that - then a one link
and @ Bruce Wayne has defended this poster a lot imo
then this no mention then of previous post SIX days ago- from @JEBUS_LIVES

At least he doesn't wasn't to replace them all with a 9 year old Catholic girl - I presume. @Joey66

That just dropped in out of the blue seems ok for moderator @ Bruce Wayne who constantly defends this poster imo...
My original post was just about Guy Fawkes blowing up parliment and failing - a history lesson is used to excuse the poster which was never mentioned in my original post -
Anyone reading that can link any implications to it without the explanation in history and without a history lesson the implications,connotations of such a post......with my name at the end of it..... implicating me out of the blue....
yes I lost my temper is it any wonder.... when @ Bruce Wayne goes way back to defend that post!
 
That's my interpretation of it Grouch. I should add that whilst Joe is undoubtedly a barmpot, he's our barmpot and very much a part of the community here. I doubt anyone would wish ill of him, even if he can drive us up the wall.
Not a barmpot Bruce you called me an idiot, and another poster reported you...?
 
No it isn't mate. But it's getting to the stage whereby we either stay in the EU, leave with no deal or compromise. Not a great choice really. Most in here would say remain would be the obvious choice but that doesn't solve the original problem that approx. half of Brits don't want to be in the EU. Nor I think does it cater for the growing consensus that large parts of the EU don't want us either.

But hey. Nobody said it was going to be easy. Oh sorry, yes they did.:)

Yeah, but in fairness that 2.0 proposal is probably a bit extreme mate. There are looser forms that could work, probably more in line with the spirit of the whole leave vote and that the EU would accept. Assuming that everybody involved on the British side finally finds an agreement. It’s not much of a compromise, if they choose the softest of Brexits. Quite unclear what they are going to end up with atm tbf.

In the whole I think the U.K is the Kevin Mirallas of the E.U atm. You would probably find people willing to drive him to the airport. In all seriousness Brexit opens up a plethora of new options. Apart from the constant blocking – very annoying. The EU is essentially a diplomatic coalition game: give and take (when you only do the second, it doesn’t work- mind you it seems that compromises aren’t a forte at the home front either). A bunch of countries, a whole array of coalitions and little clubs (important for your strategy when you want to get something done): Benelux, founding countries, Euro-zone countries, Schengen,… Important when taking into account the decision making process. E.g: the council of the EU: normal majority, unanimity, qualified majority (55 percent of the countries+65 percent population; or more of both in some cases). The UK= neo-liberalism. Will be nice to be able to tone that down a bit; especially because of the relative weight of the UK and how is easy it was to form a blocking majority.

Maybe secretly they quite like us? Or maybe they are worried that if we go then others will follow and bring down the house of cards.

For all the talk coming out of Brussels, Paris and Berlin I think they will agree to a longer extension

Nobody is keen, it’s paralysing EU politics when there a lot more important things to deal with. Quite a few have issues with an extension, the problem is most likely the coming European elections. You’d have to deliver a no-deal in such a manner that it doesn’t benefit the euro-sceptical parties; bring it in a manner that you can solely point the blame towards the UK, they are managing that quite good tbf. A no deal Brexit will mean some people losing their jobs (not a lot in most countries but still). You don’t want them feeling angry and have a Eurosceptical backlash. At the same time, you also want to mirror the frustration of the population towards the difficult Brits (for fun you can read some Brexit comments on a random French newspaper). A difficult rope to walk.



Hmm having read the last few pages; I think it is best to post this article here (about Liverpool and Brexit in Le Figaro from a few weeks ago; http://www.lefigaro.fr/internationa...ARTFIG00098-brexit-liverpool-l-europeenne.php) – originally would not have done it but I think it is probably best now to change the subject a bit.
 
Corbyn surely can't be stupid enough to give May an out and share the blame for Brexit at the last minute.

Even he can't be that stupid.
Surely someone at 105 Victoria St needs to have a word in his ear.Like practicing the Tango in a minefield!!
 
Fair enough , I got told off, but I still am very upset - a post over a week ago no young catholic girl mentioned linked to me on a thread I have not visited this thread am before that - then a one link
and @ Bruce Wayne has defended this poster a lot imo
then this no mention then of previous post SIX days ago- from @JEBUS_LIVES

At least he doesn't wasn't to replace them all with a 9 year old Catholic girl - I presume. @Joey66

That just dropped in out of the blue seems ok for moderator @ Bruce Wayne who constantly defends this poster imo...
My original post was just about Guy Fawkes blowing up parliment and failing - a history lesson is used to excuse the poster which was never mentioned in my original post -
Anyone reading that can link any implications to it without the explanation in history and without a history lesson the implications,connotations of such a post......with my name at the end of it..... implicating me out of the blue....
yes I lost my temper is it any wonder.... when @ Bruce Wayne goes way back to defend that post!
Honestly, @Joey66 , stop being such a drama llama. There's clearly nothing unsavoury being implied there and it's been explained to you by multiple posters. Either you're just being wilfully obtuse now or you're revelling in having a grievance. Either way, it's not a good look.
 
Yeah, but in fairness that 2.0 proposal is probably a bit extreme mate. There are looser forms that could work, probably more in line with the spirit of the whole leave vote and that the EU would accept. Assuming that everybody involved on the British side finally finds an agreement. It’s not much of a compromise, if they choose the softest of Brexits. Quite unclear what they are going to end up with atm tbf.

In the whole I think the U.K is the Kevin Mirallas of the E.U atm. You would probably find people willing to drive him to the airport. In all seriousness Brexit opens up a plethora of new options. Apart from the constant blocking – very annoying. The EU is essentially a diplomatic coalition game: give and take (when you only do the second, it doesn’t work- mind you it seems that compromises aren’t a forte at the home front either). A bunch of countries, a whole array of coalitions and little clubs (important for your strategy when you want to get something done): Benelux, founding countries, Euro-zone countries, Schengen,… Important when taking into account the decision making process. E.g: the council of the EU: normal majority, unanimity, qualified majority (55 percent of the countries+65 percent population; or more of both in some cases). The UK= neo-liberalism. Will be nice to be able to tone that down a bit; especially because of the relative weight of the UK and how is easy it was to form a blocking majority.



Nobody is keen, it’s paralysing EU politics when there a lot more important things to deal with. Quite a few have issues with an extension, the problem is most likely the coming European elections. You’d have to deliver a no-deal in such a manner that it doesn’t benefit the euro-sceptical parties; bring it in a manner that you can solely point the blame towards the UK, they are managing that quite good tbf. A no deal Brexit will mean some people losing their jobs (not a lot in most countries but still). You don’t want them feeling angry and have a Eurosceptical backlash. At the same time, you also want to mirror the frustration of the population towards the difficult Brits (for fun you can read some Brexit comments on a random French newspaper). A difficult rope to walk.



Hmm having read the last few pages; I think it is best to post this article here (about Liverpool and Brexit in Le Figaro from a few weeks ago; http://www.lefigaro.fr/internationa...ARTFIG00098-brexit-liverpool-l-europeenne.php) – originally would not have done it but I think it is probably best now to change the subject a bit.
Brutally honest as usual mate. However I would add that many Brits would take issue with your give/take comment given that, financially, we are the second largest net contributor after Germany. I appreciate that the EU is about more than just money, but I don't think you can simply ignore that aspect either.

Keep with the posts though. It's refreshing to get a different view to the normal leave/remain stuff in here.;)
 
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