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[Barnfred 55]

As I say, people who voted leave should evaluate their lives and see what it is that is so bad that they have voted to plunge this country into the unknown.

5th richest country in the World, we’re so hard done by.

This is a fair argument. I agree with you if we're talking about a no deal Brexit. However, I don't believe the hardship would be quite so bad if a decent trade agreement could be reached with the EU.

But none of this relates to your opening post in which you basically accused anyone who voted Brexit as agreeing with or condoning the increase in right wing posts we're seeing on social media. Apart from being utter nonsense it's actually insulting to millions of law abiding citizens who will be as disgusted as you or I at these posts.

 

[Frang]

What polls??

The ones taking are jobz!

 

[neil999]

Rubbish Corbyn hates the EU - he just wants power for his Marxist projects smokescreen Jezza - done it all his polictical life.....born in a posh house in Kent - as thick as a brick .....

Im no corbyn fan and would prefer a different leader, but could you please name his marxist policies?

 

[Barnfred 55]

I feel like Brexit has revealed how confused people are on how government is supposed to work. The elected officials are supposed to make decisions for the people who elect them. They are elected to have knowledge above what the common man knows. So this whole canceling Brexit is ruining democracy thing is manure. Even if a referendum is held it is the job of the people in parliament to say sorry guys but I've looked at this and I'm not doing it. If the people don't like that they can vote that person out. But driving the country off the cliff because people who didn't understand fully what the Brexit vote meant voted to leave is not how representative government should function.

In that case they shouldn't have brought the referendum in the first place if the judgement of the people cannot be trusted. They shouldn't have made a commitment to abide by the referendum result, and they certainly shouldn't have invoked article 50 making the referendum legal.

I don't like referendums for the simple reason they fly in the face of the way democracy works in this country. This mess was probably inevitable given that 68% of the constituencies voted to leave, 70% of the MPs campaigned to Remain, the leader of the Government overseeing Brexit was a remainer, and the leader of the opposition voted to leave.

You really couldn't make it up.

 

[Walken]

Yes they are. Did you have it THAT bad that you voted for this mess? Our economy is going to suffer, leading to job losses and a period of austerity, but at least we’ve got our country back, eh?!

If it was put to a vote again, it wouldn’t even be close.

salt > jobs/prosperity/workers rights/human rights/freedom to travel/not being a pack of racists/trade/functioning legislation

 

[Walken]

Rubbish Corbyn hates the EU - he just wants power for his Marxist projects smokescreen Jezza - done it all his polictical life.....born in a posh house in Kent - as thick as a brick .....

Looking back at his long career as a back bencher, can you tell me when he voted in parliament in a manner that dissappointed a lifelong socialist such as yourself

 

[Walken]

Proper cowards these people making anonymous death threats on social media. The technical ability to cover their tracks makes you wonder who or what is behind them, but the number and frequency of them is very disturbing and worrying. It must be absolutely horrible for the recipients.

You do have to question why Jon Snow felt the need to make such a comment in the first place. It was obviously intended to be provocative. I can only assume that he never went to the peoples vote march at the weekend as he would have seen many more white people than he did outside Parliament yesterday.

I'm sorry mate but you condemn the death threats in your first paragraph, then make excuses for them in the second

 

[Barnfred 55]

I'm sorry mate but you condemn the death threats in your first paragraph, then make excuses for them in the second

No I'm not making excuses for them at all. I condemn them full stop.

But don't you question what or who is behind them and how they are seemingly able to post with impunity, despite all the technology our law enforcement agencies have to counter such acts. If not you should do.

Interesting that you make no comment on Jon Snow making such remarks when, as a news reporter, he is supposed to be impartial. Guarantee if it was a provocative comment against the peoples vote march you'd be all over it like a rash.

 

[peteblue]

Would you still leave tomorrow?

I would like to have left yesterday.....

 

[Walken]

No I'm not making excuses for them at all. I condemn them full stop.

But don't you question what or who is behind them and how they are seemingly able to post with impunity, despite all the technology our law enforcement agencies have to counter such acts. If not you should do.

Interesting that you make no comment on Jon Snow making such remarks when, as a news reporter, he is supposed to be impartial. Guarantee if it was a provocative comment against the peoples vote march you'd be all over it like a rash.

There is only one side continually threatening violence, destruction and anarchy and it doesn't do leave any favours at all. Jon Snow has said plenty of provocative things in the past on subjects and I haven't felt any desire to comment and if he had recieved death threats about his comments it's not him I would be questioning.

On your second paragraph I'm afraid I'm not totally sure what you are suggesting

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

The ones taking are jobz!

Not surprised

Proper cowards these people making anonymous death threats on social media. The technical ability to cover their tracks makes you wonder who or what is behind them, but the number and frequency of them is very disturbing and worrying. It must be absolutely horrible for the recipients.

You do have to question why Jon Snow felt the need to make such a comment in the first place. It was obviously intended to be provocative. I can only assume that he never went to the peoples vote march at the weekend as he would have seen many more white people than he did outside Parliament yesterday.

I think most of the white people on the people’s vote march were peaceful, happy and well behaved.

The absolute nazi sh1thouses on yesterday’s demo were intent on violence, aggression and intimidation.

So yeah I think he was right to comment and poke the nest. What I saw yesterday could only have served to further imprint the image of the average Brexiteer in everyone’s mind.

They did themselves no favours whatsoever. They let the far right dominate

 

[Barnfred 55]

There is only one side continually threatening violence, destruction and anarchy and it doesn't do leave any favours at all. Jon Snow has said plenty of provocative things in the past on subjects and I haven't felt any desire to comment and if he had recieved death threats about his comments it's not him I would be questioning.

On your second paragraph I'm afraid I'm not totally sure what you are suggesting

The bottom line is that we don't know who is actually making these death threats or the organisation(s) behind them. They are all anonymous and seemingly hidden behind complex cyber security seeing as the police cannot identify them. We need to find out who they are so we can stop them and prosecute those responsible. That's all I'm saying. Surely you want the same. I've no hidden agenda here.

As regards my second paragraph I thought I was clear. But I'll put it another way. It's the nature of News reporters role that should be impartial. Jon snow wasn't being impartial here but you seem ok with that, presumably because what he is saying is something you concur with. Would you be as understanding if his comments were against what you agree with.?

 

[Walken]

The bottom line is that we don't know who is actually making these death threats or the organisation(s) behind them. They are all anonymous and seemingly hidden behind complex cyber security seeing as the police cannot identify them. We need to find out who they are so we can stop them and prosecute those responsible. That's all I'm saying. Surely you want the same. I've no hidden agenda here.

As regards my second paragraph I thought I was clear. But I'll put it another way. It's the nature of News reporters role that should be impartial. Jon snow wasn't being impartial here but you seem ok with that, presumably because what he is saying is something you concur with. Would you be as understanding if his comments were against what you agree with.?

I haven't claimed to agree with snow, though the demographic of leavers to my own eye doesn't appear very cosmopolitan to my eye, but as I stated I have disagreed with him plenty of times but what he said is neither here nor there as too many of the side for leave jump at the opportunity to suggest aggression, it doesn't do their argument any favours.

By second paragraph I meant the comment regards social media as I genuinely didn't follow, but you have clarified that for me

 

[Barnfred 55]

Not surprised


I think most of the white people on the people’s vote march were peaceful, happy and well behaved.

The absolute nazi sh1thouses on yesterday’s demo were intent on violence, aggression and intimidation.

So yeah I think he was right to comment and poke the nest. What I saw yesterday could only have served to further imprint the image of the average Brexiteer in everyone’s mind.

They did themselves no favours whatsoever. They let the far right dominate

I can honestly say that I didn't see any of what you speak of. What I saw were people politely exercising their right to demonstrate as indeed you did at the weekend.

However my wife has just told me that Tommy Robinson and his thugs were also there which I wasn't aware of. They are just scum. Sadly the laws in this country allow such people the right to demonstrate just as much as the next person.

One can only hope that any reasonable person would understand that those thugs do not represent the average Brexiteer. I didn't see what you saw yesterday but I didn't watch it all day. I didn't even know they were there never mind dominate the proceedings. If Jon Snow was specifically referring to Tommy Robinson and his gang when making those comments, I can understand his impartiality and I take back what I said. If he was referring to the average Joe Blogg then my views stand.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

The bottom line is that we don't know who is actually making these death threats or the organisation(s) behind them. They are all anonymous and seemingly hidden behind complex cyber security seeing as the police cannot identify them. We need to find out who they are so we can stop them and prosecute those responsible. That's all I'm saying. Surely you want the same. I've no hidden agenda here.

As regards my second paragraph I thought I was clear. But I'll put it another way. It's the nature of News reporters role that should be impartial. Jon snow wasn't being impartial here but you seem ok with that, presumably because what he is saying is something you concur with. Would you be as understanding if his comments were against what you agree with.?

Call it edgy journalism. I’m a massive fan of it