Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Dont expect anything to change soon. There will be no second vote but we won't ever leave either. We'll end up with a massive extension to article 50 and our MP's will simply carry on business as usual. A couple of elections down the line years from now they'll just withdraw it on the quite and pretend the whole thing never happened.
 
arminisgod said:
To the person who said leaving will be a disaster and we would go into recession... In the last 15 years we have had 2 recessions and thr biggest austerity measures since world war 2.

Yeah life's been great in the EU
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That's been more down to a decade of government mismanagement. Nothing to do with the EU.

Although, they'd like to paint the picture it's the partly the EUs fault.

I'd be more worried about giving all the power to the government to be honest
 
kenada_blue said:
That's been more down to a decade of government mismanagement. Nothing to do with the EU.

Although, they'd like to paint the picture it's the partly the EUs fault.

I'd be more worried about giving all the power to the government to be honest
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Exactly. Get our house in order, then leave if we must.
 
Only thing to take from last nights votes is either a referendum on her deal or a customs union are looking more achievable if she climbs down on one or the other once her deals voted down a third time and are the only way through to a deal (barring DUP backing May)

Also shows the tories didn't vote in favour of anything last night as they're even more divided and clueless than the rest, the only thing they'll vote for is if on Monday the Malthouse compromise is picked for voting (even though its already been no-no'd by the EU)

Basically ''Nothing.has.changed'', article 50 extension to come then the choices are still; a referendum on the deal promised and May's deal passes, May deal passes without a referendum promised on it, No deal, or a general election via No Confidence win to try change parliament numbers to force a majority on something
 
"Theresa May's deal would make us a vassal state, in slavery to Europe. For the first time in 1000 years Parliament would have no say in the laws governing our country"

Wait a minute... that's what you said the EU already did to us, when you were campaigning for us to Leave.

Oh and now you're voting for the withdrawal agreement anyway, despite saying that it's WORSE than staying in the EU?

You know, I'm starting to think these people aren't on the level.
 
arminisgod said:
To the person who said leaving will be a disaster and we would go into recession... In the last 15 years we have had 2 recessions and thr biggest austerity measures since world war 2.

Yeah life's been great in the EU
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There has only been one recession in the last 15 years, although it was a biggy and the effects were on going for a while causing certain quarters afterwards to fall in growth just never 2 or more in a row which classifies as a recession.

The 2008 one was caused by the US banking crisis, it's got little to do with the EU. Like another poster put, you may as well blame the EU on anything bad that happened to occur in that time frame too.

BigBlueNose said:
the upper and middle class remainers have never noticed a recession or austerity though... its just a measure to ensure cheap labour.
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Imho this one would make the others seem trivial. Believe you me I noticed the one after 2008, my house was in negative equity for over 8 years. If you feel you are struggling now, when the economy retracts further it isn't going to make your situation any better. The people who are insulated from these problems are the ones that own their own homes, have cash reserves in the bank and are retired or coming up to retirement. You claim to feel austerity/recessions harder than the rest, but that is why I voted remain to protect people like you and I in all of this. What is your excuse for putting your life on the craps table advocating a no deal?
 
The binman chronicles said:
There has only been one recession in the last 15 years, although it was a biggy and the effects were on going for a while causing certain quarters afterwards to fall in growth just never 2 or more in a row which classifies as a recession.

The 2008 one was caused by the US banking crisis, it's got little to do with the EU. Like another poster put, you may as well blame the EU on anything bad that happened to occur in that time frame too.



Imho this one would make the others seem trivial. Believe you me I noticed the one after 2008, my house was in negative equity for over 8 years. If you feel you are struggling now, when the economy retracts further it isn't going to make your situation any better. The people who are insulated from these problems are the ones that own their own homes, have cash reserves in the bank and are retired or coming up to retirement. You claim to feel austerity/recessions harder than the rest, but that is why I voted remain to protect people like you and I in all of this. What is your excuse for putting your life on the craps table advocating a no deal?
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He is brainless.
 
arminisgod said:
To the person who said leaving will be a disaster and we would go into recession... In the last 15 years we have had 2 recessions and thr biggest austerity measures since world war 2.

Yeah life's been great in the EU
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Would love to shake you right now through the screen you're so close to seeing the light...

EU are part of the problem but the cause is capitalism, out of control profit seeking from banks and private companies along with deregulation lead to high risk CDO's (linked to house mortgages) which caused the 2008 recession that went world wide as capital and the dollar is connected globally
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
I've asked the question of @Joey66 already (although I didn't word it particularly well), but I thought I'd ask a wider pool.

Leavers: Of the current options available, which would you pick? 'other' is probably acceptable, but you need to show your working.

@Old Blue 2 @peteblue @edge
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Out of the current ones on, offer seeing as no Deal is off the table supposedly.
i would just sooner stay in as they don't offer any advantages, we would still be under EU rules with no say in them a vassal state in all but name .
So not worth showing the working out sorry as i don't support anything on the table at present.
I wanted a trade deal nothing else.
I don't trust the EU model of economic centralisation and dont think it is in the interests of the working class at heart,and feel as a sovereign state it would be easier to change one country rather than a group of 27 from its current slavery to free market dogma which offers little but a few crumbs of the table for the working class.
i have endeavoured to offer my reasons throughout this thread rather than just say we won along the line, so it's hopefully all , in here somewhere(,can't recall not answering anybody who has asked me a direct question,) rant over.

Saying all of that, as i have said before nearly half those who voted wanted to stay so there should rightfully be some compromise in that direction in my view.
what that would be i am not sure , personally free movement was not top of my list as we had the tools to control it already the UK government chose not to use them.
I have long given up on Brexit as there is no will in parliament or the establishment have no will to enact the result of referendum.
It's just a circus playing out to get the conclusion THEY want in the EU/parliament, in fully or out in name only.
I haven't got a home politically on this subject, as i suspect many more feel the same way just disillusioned and outside of the mechanism of power in this country, just a modern day working peasant doing the bidding of others further up the food chain.
Long term the danger with this is people will see their votes as not worth casting as the elite run the show and will react by voting in somebody promising to drain the swamp type thing, god help us all.
What the happens next i haven't a clue if i am honest .
Sorry grammer is crap ( I am dyslexic) so cant do a full essay on the thoughts of chairman EDGE would still be here next week typing and deleting what passes for spelling in my head.
 
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