Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Barnfred 55]

I guess it will depend on how its sold. Take the hit, short term pain etc, similar to what we

I'm a layman, I feel I know less about politics now than I did 3 years ago. I'm also a remainder, staunchly, but I agree with everything in your post. I fear a rise in the right wing a lot more than I do a no deal brexit. Today I actually feel genuine sadness for brexiteers for the first time, if the shoe was on the other foot I'd feel utterly neglected and angry, I fear that anger will spill over into the streets and will become apparent at the ballot box. I heard farages attempt at a stirring speech today. I'm no clearer where we will end up but a lot more worried. A pantomime

Cheers mate. It actually means quite a lot to me to have somebody understand where I'm coming from. When I wrote the post I knew I'd be pretty isolated because most people are so polarised on Brexit, but long term that will just make matters worse for the country, not better.

I can't speak for all the 17.4 million people who voted to leave, only for myself. If you have followed my posts on here you will know that I'm quite a moderate Brexiteer, and right at this moment what I feel is a combination of sadness and anger. Anger at being let down by parliament, and sadness at where the country is heading. As a person I'm quite conscious of my own feelings, sufficiently enough to understand that if we had a general election in the coming months, my heart would most likely rule my head in that Brexit would dominate my decision making, rather than looking at the bigger picture which should be what drives a persons vote. I fear many other people, on both sides, will be the same.

As regards the far right, I would never knowingly give them my vote. But there is always the possibility that right wingers could infiltrate mainstream politics at ground root level. I think it's fair to say that many of these thugs seem to have used the Brexit vote as a mandate to put their heads above the parapet, and I fear that could happen if the Brexit party get's off the ground. A lot depends on who takes over from May. If it is somebody who is a strong remain supporter, then I can easily see a group of maybe a 100 Tory MPs breaking away from the party. A lot of these MPs will have big mandates from their constituents too.

The other big issue at the moment is how close we actually are to a no deal Brexit. I know most people have now dismissed that idea because both the British and European parliaments are so steadfastly against it. But with 13 days to go until we are due to leave we still need to come up with an exit strategy acceptable to the EU, parliament will still have to accept the conditions that the EU will undoubtedly put on the extension to article 50, and all 27 EU states will individually need to agree to the extension. This will go down to the wire.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Cheers mate. It actually means quite a lot to me to have somebody understand where I'm coming from. When I wrote the post I knew I'd be pretty isolated because most people are so polarised on Brexit, but long term that will just make matters worse for the country, not better.

I can't speak for all the 17.4 million people who voted to leave, only for myself. If you have followed my posts on here you will know that I'm quite a moderate Brexiteer, and right at this moment what I feel is a combination of sadness and anger. Anger at being let down by parliament, and sadness at where the country is heading. As a person I'm quite conscious of my own feelings, sufficiently enough to understand that if we had a general election in the coming months, my heart would most likely rule my head in that Brexit would dominate my decision making, rather than looking at the bigger picture which should be what drives a persons vote. I fear many other people, on both sides, will be the same.

As regards the far right, I would never knowingly give them my vote. But there is always the possibility that right wingers could infiltrate mainstream politics at ground root level. I think it's fair to say that many of these thugs seem to have used the Brexit vote as a mandate to put their heads above the parapet, and I fear that could happen if the Brexit party get's off the ground. A lot depends on who takes over from May. If it is somebody who is a strong remain supporter, then I can easily see a group of maybe a 100 Tory MPs breaking away from the party. A lot of these MPs will have big mandates from their constituents too.

The other big issue at the moment is how close we actually are to a no deal Brexit. I know most people have now dismissed that idea because both the British and European parliaments are so steadfastly against it. But with 13 days to go until we are due to leave we still need to come up with an exit strategy acceptable to the EU, parliament will still have to accept the conditions that the EU will undoubtedly put on the extension to article 50, and all 27 EU states will individually need to agree to the extension. This will go down to the wire.

It shouldn’t be this way. May could have contacted the DUP asking them if they would support her deal. They say no she looks at other options. This should have been the case 6 months ago. No idea what her plan is. I very much doubt there is one. Leaving this to the wire is incredibly irresponsible. She has to go.

 

[Barnfred 55]

have labour ever been as weak as this ???

we need a strong opposition to rival these corrupt tories ...

its blatantly obvious that Corbyn isn't the right person ..

who is there within Labour to show a new approach and galvanise the party, esp if there is to be a GE ??

@Joey66 @Barnfred 55 @edge

Why are you asking me about the Labour party Frank?. Don't you know I'm a middle class middle England bubble type of person.

Seriously though mate I'm the wrong person to ask about any of our political parties at the moment. I'm disillusioned with the lot of them.

I also have serious questions over whether the 2 party system we have in this country is fit for purpose mate. I'll give you an example of what I mean. A political commentator was saying the blame for this mess lies with the Govt. Fair enough, I don't really have a problem with that as they've gone about it completely the wrong way from the start. He was then asked whether Labour should share part of the blame and he said no. The Tory party are the ones in government so it is all their fault. "The purpose of the opposition party is to oppose".

From my seat, all I see is a country in crisis and on the brink of a no deal Brexit (which I accept you are in favour of) and the opposition party is still doing what it is supposed to do.

The government has been rightly criticised for not budging on their red lines, but the undeniable truth is that nobody else is prepared to budge on their own red lines either, including the EU. Everybody can defend their own side all day long for all I care but the simple truth is nobody is budging an inch.

 

[Joey66]

Either that or a very brazen cocaine ring has begun operating out the factory.

Not mined but more forced to the surface.

The only remaining salt works in Middlewich is the British Salt works at Cledford .....

 

[Barnfred 55]

It shouldn’t be this way. May could have contacted the DUP asking them if they would support her deal. They say no she looks at other options. This should have been the case 6 months ago. No idea what her plan is. I very much doubt there is one. Leaving this to the wire is incredibly irresponsible. She has to go.

I don't disagree with any of that mate.

I've made a number of posts in here criticising May's handling of Brexit and effectively handing over control in the negotiations to the EU from the outset. The problem is you can't undo what has already been done, and laying blame, which is all parliament seems to be doing at the moment, is going to get us nowhere fast.

We are in a damage control situation but the politicians are too up their own arses to see that. Hate is a very strong word to use but, at the moment and, as a collective, I think I really do hate all British politicians at the moment. Or more rather I hate British politics.

 

[Joey66]

No it's not. Salt is not more dangerous to the environment or public health than Sodium Chlorate...stop making things up

Sorry I've missed the EU audit bit, what was the question?

I asked you did the EU they ever audit their massive spending accounts...
https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/
That's why I voted to leave bent as a Banana

 

[zzr45]

The only remaining salt works in Middlewich is the British Salt works at Cledford .....

Yep. Right on the main road.

 

[GwladysBlue]

The amount of right-wing stuff people post of social media now is just disgusting.

This generation has lived through the longest period of peace and prosperity, but this hateful behaviour is rife.

Anyone voting for Brexit should have a long, hard look at themselves. You’re an embarrassment.

 

[Frang]

The amount of right-wing stuff people post of social media now is just disgusting.

This generation has lived through the longest period of peace and prosperity, but this hateful behaviour is rife.

Anyone voting for Brexit should have a long, hard look at themselves. You’re an embarrassment.

That's piped me right down that

 

[GwladysBlue]

There we go, one of the divvies letting this city down.

The EU has pumped more money into this city than our government ever will.

 

[longers]

Jon Snows apparently received death threats for saying he’d “never seen so many white people before” when reporting on yesterday’s rally.

 

[Joey66]

The amount of right-wing stuff people post of social media now is just disgusting.

This generation has lived through the longest period of peace and prosperity, but this hateful behaviour is rife.

Anyone voting for Brexit should have a long, hard look at themselves. You’re an embarrassment.

So 17.4 million people are an embarrassment, I am looking at elected members of parliment who have not listened to 17.4 million people - not anyone else mate........

 

[Joey66]

There we go, one of the divvies letting this city down.

The EU has pumped more money into this city than our government ever will.

UK tax payers money ..... a great scheme no doubt about it have you seen where the pump our money in , and totally waste it....... that's on top of the £9 billion deficit we lose every year.......

 

[GwladysBlue]

So 17.4 million people are an embarrassment, I am looking at elected members of parliment who have not listened to 17.4 million people - not anyone else mate........

Yes they are. Did you have it THAT bad that you voted for this mess? Our economy is going to suffer, leading to job losses and a period of austerity, but at least we’ve got our country back, eh?!

If it was put to a vote again, it wouldn’t even be close.

 

[orchard]

UK tax payers money ..... a great scheme no doubt about it have you seen where the pump our money in , and totally waste it....... that's on top of the £9 billion deficit we lose every year.......

Yeah mate, let's give it to Grayling, Boris, May and the other fiscally useful members of the cabinet.