Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Brisan123 said:
I doubt very much the ROI will vote to accept a United ireland
The financial implications alone would make it unworkable never mind the very real chance of terrorism from hard line unionists
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I guess it will depend on how its sold. Take the hit, short term pain etc, similar to what we
Barnfred 55 said:
The mood in this thread very much mirrors the mood in Parliament today. Both sides are slagging each other off in here, and in parliament all most MPs are doing is laying blame, instead of trying to come up with some plan, acceptable cross party, to move forward with.

Bercow has to take some responsibility for this. His insistence that Mays deal can not be brought before Parliament again has resulted in the ridiculous motion being brought today. A motion, incidentally, that prevents any amendments being tabled that could be considered conciliatory because it doesn't allow discussions on the future relationship. Such as that tendered by Lisa Nandy, or the Customs Union option that did quite well in indicative votes.

I'm sure nobody needs reminding that today is the last day that acceptance of the withdrawal agreement can happen. So after today, the three options on the table are leave with no deal on 12 April, revoke article 50 and request a long extension from the EU.

In my opinion anybody who believe leaving with no deal will not cause a lot of harm to our economy, and risk to jobs, has their heads in the sand. I don't think it will be the absolute disaster that loads on here are predicting, but try telling that to the unlucky sods who lose their jobs.

But likewise, anybody who believes that revoking article 50 will solve everything is equally deluded. If I'm not mistaken the turnout of the electorate in the referendum was the highest ever, and over half of them were, for whatever reason, unhappy being members of the EU. That will not have changed and if anything their resolve will have been hardened not weakened. They will continue to fight their cause and that fight will begin with the European elections in May.

The EU have said that any request for a longer extension made before April 12th has to be accompanied by a detailed plan forward that carries a majority in the house. Good luck on that. The other issue is that it only takes one of the 27 to veto the extension to put a spanner in the works. So there is a real risk that we could leave on 1 April with no deal, despite parliament, and most likely the vast majority of the country, being against this. Even if the EU grant an extension, lets be in no doubt that it will come with conditions and at significant cost (financially). And with it comes another 2 years of uncertainty, will we won't we, which is one of the biggest issues business owners have when deciding whether or not to invest.

I have genuine fears that staying in the EU or becoming involved in a lengthy extension will open the doors to far right infiltration of mainstream politics. God knows where that could lead. Plus a lengthy extension will undoubtedly result in Parliament, for the next 2 years, being so wound up with Brexit that other, much more important issues, get ignored or, at best, temporarily shelved.

At a time when we should be putting differences and blame to one side, and coming together for the good of the country, most people are as divided as ever and red lines still rule the day. Nowhere near enough people are prepared to compromise and, whichever side you are on, I can't see this ending well.
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I'm a layman, I feel I know less about politics now than I did 3 years ago. I'm also a remainder, staunchly, but I agree with everything in your post. I fear a rise in the right wing a lot more than I do a no deal brexit. Today I actually feel genuine sadness for brexiteers for the first time, if the shoe was on the other foot I'd feel utterly neglected and angry, I fear that anger will spill over into the streets and will become apparent at the ballot box. I heard farages attempt at a stirring speech today. I'm no clearer where we will end up but a lot more worried. A pantomime
 
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