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[edge]

There you go boys get the yellow vests ready

Waste of time , the bells in charge don't give a flying fk what ordinary people do from either side.
That at least should be clear to everyone by now at least.

 

[Ruairi77]

I’ve read most of this thread but commented very little on it
I’ve taken an interest on Brexit purely on a selfish basis as 90% of what my employer manufactures is exported to Britain so a no deal Brexit would have serious consequences for me
My musings so far are
Britain wanted to leave the EU , the EU did not want Britain to leave
It was never in the EU’s interest to make things easy for Britain to leave the EU and for Britain to prosper after Brexit
It this had occurred other EU countries who are straying to the right wing of politics would use this as an argument for leaving themselves
The EU put the backstop in to protect one of their member states (ROI ) and was quite entitled to do so
The EU and the British negotiators agreed on a deal that they both obviously found palatable and the British negotiating team obviously felt they could get it through parliament , which they have obviously failed to do
The DUP are using this Brexit deal for their own political agenda and are not representing the people who put them into power
A majority of Unionists voter remain and the backstop is the best alternative to leaving the EU they can hope for
The DUP seem to call themselves British and want closer links to Britain when it suits them , but wants to claim to be Irish when it suits them
During the foot and mouth crisis Paisley famously said that the farmers were British but their cows were Irish
The British people rightly or wrongly voted to leave the EU
It’s now on the democratically elected representatives of the British people to carry out the wishes of the people
They have not got the right to second guess the electorate and tell them that they didn’t know what they voted for
Brexit means Brexit and if the current deal is the only one on the table then they should accept they or go with no deal
I don’t see why the EU should renegotiate the deal
They made a deal in good faith with the ritual negotiatioaters and it was a deal that protected them and their member states
If the British people voted for Brexit without realising the consequences then that’s not the EUs fault but rather the fault of the British parliament and its members
For those that voted leave because of immigration and for those that voted leave because they didn’t like the colour of the EU passport and wanted the old colour back I hope you enjoy your new found country are are not out of work with plenty of time but no money to enjoy it , beacause let’s face it the Brexiteers fed you a load of crap in the run up to the referendum
Already companies and financial institutions are readying themselves to leave Britain and unless some miracle happens Britain will be a poorer country after Brexit

That all seems fairly accurate.
Just a couple of clarifications.
The original backstop for NI only was agreed by the EU and UK, It wasn't proposed (at least publicly, AFAIK) by one side or the other. After the DUP flipped out, The UK proposed a UK wide backstop. What we have now is a UK proposal.
Also, I dont recall the DUP ever claiming to be Irish.
Their fundamentalists and are at fault for this mess.

From a business point of view, I'm a part owner of a small education company here in Boston. We had mulled over the idea of expanding to London with me making the move. Not happening now. I was disappointed at first, missed opportunity to move closer to home and family, and I think it's a pretty cool city, lots of opportunities to watch Everton! But over the last two years, I've heard more and more horrible stories from Irish friends living in London, people giving them guff on the tube or in shops etc. (even though Brexit wont change their status). They say the mood in the city has changed for the worse and many are looking at selling up and heading to Dublin.

Cameron opened a nasty can of worms.

 

[Brisan123]

I voted no in the first Scottish indyref, and voted remain for the same reasons - I like freedom of movement and think the world is a better place when we work for the good of all. As we spiral towards a no deal, I'm thinking that indyref2 is only a matter of years away, if that. This time I will be voting yes as will a lot of no voters from last time, I see the break up of the UK as inevitable now, and I'm not sure this is a bad thing. (seems odd that the DUP have hastened there very idea of hell)

I doubt very much the ROI will vote to accept a United ireland
The financial implications alone would make it unworkable never mind the very real chance of terrorism from hard line unionists

 

[jaycee]

Waste of time , the bells in charge don't give a flying fk what ordinary people do from either side.
That at least should be clear to everyone by now at least.

You could still go and crack that nobhead whos always mouthing off outside the HOC

 

[Jebus_lives]

Waste of time , the bells in charge don't give a flying fk what ordinary people do from either side.
That at least should be clear to everyone by now at least.

Oh that's not true. Rees-Mogg, Gove, Johnson et Al are in this for the will of the people!

Farage especially...worked his way up from nothing and has been a thorn in the side of the EU & elites as a purely selfless act to benefit the lives of Factory Workers in Sunderland and Fisherman in Grimsby.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I’ve read most of this thread but commented very little on it
I’ve taken an interest on Brexit purely on a selfish basis as 90% of what my employer manufactures is exported to Britain so a no deal Brexit would have serious consequences for me
My musings so far are
Britain wanted to leave the EU , the EU did not want Britain to leave
It was never in the EU’s interest to make things easy for Britain to leave the EU and for Britain to prosper after Brexit
It this had occurred other EU countries who are straying to the right wing of politics would use this as an argument for leaving themselves
The EU put the backstop in to protect one of their member states (ROI ) and was quite entitled to do so
The EU and the British negotiators agreed on a deal that they both obviously found palatable and the British negotiating team obviously felt they could get it through parliament , which they have obviously failed to do
The DUP are using this Brexit deal for their own political agenda and are not representing the people who put them into power
A majority of Unionists voter remain and the backstop is the best alternative to leaving the EU they can hope for
The DUP seem to call themselves British and want closer links to Britain when it suits them , but wants to claim to be Irish when it suits them
During the foot and mouth crisis Paisley famously said that the farmers were British but their cows were Irish
The British people rightly or wrongly voted to leave the EU
It’s now on the democratically elected representatives of the British people to carry out the wishes of the people
They have not got the right to second guess the electorate and tell them that they didn’t know what they voted for
Brexit means Brexit and if the current deal is the only one on the table then they should accept they or go with no deal
I don’t see why the EU should renegotiate the deal
They made a deal in good faith with the ritual negotiatioaters and it was a deal that protected them and their member states
If the British people voted for Brexit without realising the consequences then that’s not the EUs fault but rather the fault of the British parliament and its members
For those that voted leave because of immigration and for those that voted leave because they didn’t like the colour of the EU passport and wanted the old colour back I hope you enjoy your new found country are are not out of work with plenty of time but no money to enjoy it , beacause let’s face it the Brexiteers fed you a load of crap in the run up to the referendum
Already companies and financial institutions are readying themselves to leave Britain and unless some miracle happens Britain will be a poorer country after Brexit

I agree with much of what you say here, but I think this is a little unfair on parliament. They do not know, and have not known the 'will of the people' other than leave the European Union.

They are having to guess and suppose precisely because there has been no public direction other than 'leave means leave' or 'remain'.

I find it utter absurd and a total mishandling of the entire thing that MPs have only been allowed indicative votes days before the deadline.

The only form of Brexit on offer has been Theresa May's Brexit and nothing else.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So, as I see it now, MPs are coming back tomorrow to vote a "new" (ish) version of the May deal. Which is now pretty much a starting point only. Large parts of it would have been in a Labour plan, apparently.

But. LP have already said they will vote against it. The DUP havnt said so, but they will, and enough ERG loons have said they wont support it neither.

So, what is the effin point?

More to the point, haven't the EU said quite clearly that negotiations on the withdrawal agreement have ended?

 

[roydo]

More to the point, haven't the EU said quite clearly that negotiations on the withdrawal agreement have ended?

Isnt that the bit they are voting on tomorrow? With the other bit, cant remember its name, being left out?

Kin nuts all this either way. Its cost 2 PMs, countless ministers, and after nearly 3 years, all for nowt.

 

[magicjuan]

Gawd mass media hysterics, along with referendum I would like to ban 24 hours news, it's not healthy. Parliament have just been allowed a say in the process, the Government had two years. Parliament will gather round common opinion and plan in the coming days...

What?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Isnt that the bit they are voting on tomorrow? With the other bit, cant remember its name, being left out?

Kin nuts all this either way. Its cost 2 PMs, countless ministers, and after nearly 3 years, all for nowt.

It's worse than nowt mate. It's broken the country. I can't remember a time when it's been more divided.

 

[roydo]

It's worse than nowt mate. It's broken the country. I can't remember a time when it's been more divided.

Indeed. The UK, for so long the country of tolerance, humour, and a welcome, basically isnt.

 

[Brisan123]

I won't be down that way until the second week in August...

You may not get within 20 miles of the port if there’s a no deal

 

[Brisan123]

I would say 'A merry Xmas to all my readers', but we haven't even reached Easter yet...

Xmas could yet be cancelled due to a lack of food and suitable presents

 

[Brisan123]

Since the vote, the Pound has collapsed, the biggest drop in any of the four major currencies since the 1970s, which has made almost everything more expensive. Economic growth and productivity growth is stagnant, private sector investment has cratered, and we are performing worse than even the Eurozone which these days takes some doing.

This is before we have even left.

@Bruce Wayne has helpfully provided the link to a study from the LSE, which you might review if you're actually serious in learning more about this.

There is a substantial difference between leaving without a deal, leaving while retaining the customs union, and leaving while retaining the single market and the customs union, which Corbyn is trying to facilitate.

Nearly 3000 posts in, few Leave voters seem to understand that there's a distinction between each of these.

The impact of the latter would be relatively minor; the middle option much more serious still. It will not feel as though the sky is falling because it mostly concerns modest to seriously diminished future growth rather than immediate economic contraction, but we will nonetheless all be poorer and worse off in ten years than we would be had we not had the referendum.

A No Deal Brexit on the other hand, to which I refer in the post you quoted, would be utterly catastrophic, dramatically worse than the financial crisis, which is why when actually confronted with it, the majority of even the Brexit Tories have caved every single time.

But I heard a lad being interviewed last week and he said when Britain leaves the EU they will be able to put the Great back into Great Britain

What amazed me was not the statement but the fact that he actually believed it

 

[Brisan123]

My posts were ment to be humerous, however your claims along with others are nothing more than opinion.You may be right or you may be wrong, we will have to wait and see

But they are the informed opinions of recognised economic experts and leaders of major industries and financial institutions plus the TUC