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[The Esk]

It could be spread over a few years but the message would get out to the World. It is what I would like to see, the country become a low tax entity in the World.

We already are a low corporate tax haven especially when you consider all the other benefits of being located in the UK, skilled workforce, strong legal system, access to foreign markets, particularly Europe.

Strange thing is though we've just thrown away the access to foreign markets advantage we had....

 

[Seanjd]

The irony of the uneducated with a should of....

Get a grip ffs you're sounding more like a fascist than Farage. Who's next, the physically impaired?

Embarrassing.

It seems classism is as prevalent as ever.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Cameron must be cutting himself right now for being so stupid.

 

[Seanjd]

I knew too many kids growing up in that situation and it wasn't because their parents were vulnerable it was because they were selfish scroats looking to increase their child benefit payments as that was their main source of income. Everyone who liked that other post had probably seen or experienced the same thing.

Also, don't make out as though I don't know what the problems are here, I see them every day. I work with families like the ones you mention. I know a parent who is pregnant with her twelfth child and no job. Why? Perhaps child benefit, probably child benefit. She lives in one of the most deprived areas of the country. She is somebody I would class as vulnerable, and somebody who I believe society has let down trough lack of opportunity and life chances. That is no life for anybody to live. She is living in poverty with too many children, but she isn't a 'selfish scroat' as you put it.

 

[magicjuan]

Why? Do you think it's right for people to have loads of kids with no means of supporting them? Do you think that's fair on the children?

Perhaps you mean like the Windsors?

 

[Geoff Nulty]

Our political parties aren't used to governing at all and nor are they concerned about providing leadership for all of society. Sad that they still can't function together to transcend historic divisions. Brexit will be quite a legacy for some of them to reflect on.

Let's hope, if Brexit goes through, some new and better reality can emerge. By the way, I saw you mentioned the Crow's Nest in Enniskillen. I do restaurant reviews for a paper over here. Reckon it's good enough to review?

 

[Efcjake]

You're language throughout that post highlights your contempt towards people with children who struggle to provide for them.

My original point, before I picked up on the guy who mentioned the kids aspect, was aimed at the division of the working class in this country. Divide and conquer at its best, and what is being displayed in your post. We are told the problem lies with those living off benefits, having too many children, and the rest of it.

There is a reason for these things happening, and everybody is a product of their environment. I stand by what I said, the most vulnerable are being blamed for many of societies wrong doings.

Stop talking about me as a person, or the language I used. That's an ad hominem attack, focus on what I actually said instead.

I have zero problem with the working class, I've been working class my entire life. I'm not talking about the working class here. When you're talking about people having children they can't afford you're talking about people who are doing so to rely on the income provided by the child benefit.

You can be working class and still afford to raise kids, my parents did it so did lots of others. The original post which you called disgusting was, in my opinion, a fair commentary about the type of people who solely seek to procreate for the purpose of increasing their child benefit and have no real ability to support their children properly.

An increase in child allowance should not be a reason to have another child, but for some people it is and those people are scroats and leeches. Not the average Joe and Jane who need a bit of help to get by, but those families on estates with 6 or 7 kids that are not being properly looked after.

You can turn around and point the finger at the ills of society all you want, those people still made a choice to have a child they can't afford and that is wrong. Just like how growing up in poverty doesn't excuse you for becoming a criminal, you still had to make the choice.

 

[Efcjake]

Also, don't make out as though I don't know what the problems are here, I see them every day. I work with families like the ones you mention. I know a parent who is pregnant with her twelfth child and no job. Why? Perhaps child benefit, probably child benefit.

She's on her twelfth and you still can't be sure whether or not benefits might have something to do with it?

She lives in one of the most deprived areas of the country. She is somebody I would class as vulnerable, and somebody who I believe society has let down trough lack of opportunity and life chances. That is no life for anybody to live. She is living in poverty with too many children, but she isn't a 'selfish scroat' as you put it.[/

Where's the personal responsibility here? "Society has let her down"

Society didn't force her to have 12 kids mate!!

You're right that it isn't a life for anyone to live, but do you not think she might have had something to do with the mess she is in?

 

[Toffeelover]

We already are a low corporate tax haven especially when you consider all the other benefits of being located in the UK, skilled workforce, strong legal system, access to foreign markets, particularly Europe.

Strange thing is though we've just thrown away the access to foreign markets advantage we had....

We could be more and my original post also mentioned personal tax. I am looking at this as a post Brexit move.

You mention that this has just been discarded, unfortunately for the millions who voted they are not in a position to benefit as by and large they are probably not in business.

 

[bizzaro]

are you sure you were 'remain' lid!

Mate. Let's not polish a turd.

Juncker should never of been on the position he was. 10 years ago we would have been able to veto him

 

[Seanjd]

Stop talking about me as a person, or the language I used. That's an ad hominem attack, focus on what I actually said instead.

I have zero problem with the working class, I've been working class my entire life. I'm not talking about the working class here. When you're talking about people having children they can't afford you're talking about people who are doing so to rely on the income provided by the child benefit.

You can be working class and still afford to raise kids, my parents did it so did lots of others. The original post which you called disgusting was, in my opinion, a fair commentary about the type of people who solely seek to procreate for the purpose of increasing their child benefit and have no real ability to support their children properly.

An increase in child allowance should not be a reason to have another child, but for some people it is and those people are scroats and leeches. Not the average Joe and Jane who need a bit of help to get by, but those families on estates with 6 or 7 kids that are not being properly looked after.

You can turn around and point the finger at the ills of society all you want, those people still made a choice to have a child they can't afford and that is wrong. Just like how growing up in poverty doesn't excuse you for becoming a criminal, you still had to make the choice.

Just picking up on your first paragraph there, you did tell me to get off my high horse. And this is an online forum, not an A level debating class.

I totally understand where you are coming from with the last part of your post. Your are not excused from the decisions you make because of your circumstances. I can still empethise though, and empathy is important here. Look at the bigger picture. Who are those likely to have children for increased child benefit? The poor. Why? For money? Why? Cause they ain't got any because prospects are virtually non existent due to a loads of political factors, not least the destruction of huge amounts of reliable jobs which have been replaced with low paid, unappealing, unreliable jobs.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

We already are a low corporate tax haven especially when you consider all the other benefits of being located in the UK, skilled workforce, strong legal system, access to foreign markets, particularly Europe.

Strange thing is though we've just thrown away the access to foreign markets advantage we had....

have we really thrown ALL our market advantage away???

i dont see that.

i think the UK will always have a healthy market place to del with.

we are not an economic main player because we were part of the EU.

 

[fozzy]

It's not a right, it's a responsibility.

Rubbish!!

It is a right!

We are like every other animal on the planet born for one sole purpose to procreate. Its natures way. Society has made it to expensive to have kids but that doesn't take away your right to have them. So society should help IMO.

They become a resposabilaty after we have them and that's where the problem is.

 

[Seanjd]

She's on her twelfth and you still can't be sure whether or not benefits might have something to do with it?




Where's the personal responsibility here? "Society has let her down"

Society didn't force her to have 12 kids mate!!

You're right that it isn't a life for anyone to live, but do you not think she might have had something to do with the mess she is in?

I said probably child benefit, so yes I think it is to do with that.

Absolutely not, of course she is responsible for her own actions. That's obvious, everybody is. I'm talking about what other issues come into play in this young woman's life. Why her? Why in that place? Why is somebody like her. In her circumstances more likely to be in this position? You cannot ignore social factors.

 

[Toffeelover]

Also, don't make out as though I don't know what the problems are here, I see them every day. I work with families like the ones you mention. I know a parent who is pregnant with her twelfth child and no job. Why? Perhaps child benefit, probably child benefit. She lives in one of the most deprived areas of the country. She is somebody I would class as vulnerable, and somebody who I believe society has let down trough lack of opportunity and life chances. That is no life for anybody to live. She is living in poverty with too many children, but she isn't a 'selfish scroat' as you put it.

When something like this is reported, I always wonder where is the father or fathers, are they not providing support? needs to be asked why did she engage in sex so much, clearly it was not just 12 times so why not on the pill etc. She is not the words mentioned but perhaps irresponsible.