Current Affairs EU In or Out

[bizzaro]

That's just not true, for the reasons explained by Dean Baker in the link I provided.

He tells the story succinctly in this clip (just change "dollar" to "sterling").

We are not the USA

 

[ianefc]

All well and good but don't fall for the false narrative that the referendum was fought on racial and not class lines.

It was both, that's exactly why the immigration policy was key, it was the first thing Farage talked about upon victory.

No doubt less affluent areas will feel hard done to and will have almost rebelled when voting as appose having a definate reason for voting, either way, it's a mess and although it'll never happen and nor should it, if there were a second referendum on Thursday I'm convinced, knowing what we now know, hearing the backtracking from Johnson and Co, the result wouldn't be close, I'd suggest 60-40 in favour of remain.

 

[roydo]

Best 2 out of 3?

General Election I reckon.

Either forced by 2/3rds of Parliament voting for one, or the new "PM" setting one. (Doubtful the second one, granted), or the activation of the Clause 50 being delayed until the next natural one.

Fun and games anyrate.

 

[ilikecheese]

What like this.

I despair at this country if they vote for that joke.

 

[bizzaro]

No mate.

The single cause for this whole debacle is the Conservative's offer of a referendum as a hedge against Eurosceptics within their own party and particularly UKIP.

It was a commitment made that they never thought they needed to fulfill as they never thought they'd win a majority in May 2015. It's entirely caused by their inability to stand up to Eurosceptics in their own party and supporter base.

It was never necessary but giving a platform to right wing malcontents has proved incredibly dangerous and ultimately decisive and will cause our country irreparable damage economically and in status and reputation.

No mate. Jean Claude Juncker.

His absolute arrogance was there for all to see. He has parallels to the Pontiffs of the Medichi era.

The point is clear. How can someone like him start dictating to the world's fifth largest economy?

Because that's what he's done.

 

[dandydan]

What like this.

Among other things. But even after doing that he looks squeaky clean next to Hilary.

 

[bizzaro]

No mate.

The single cause for this whole debacle is the Conservative's offer of a referendum as a hedge against Eurosceptics within their own party and particularly UKIP.

It was a commitment made that they never thought they needed to fulfill as they never thought they'd win a majority in May 2015. It's entirely caused by their inability to stand up to Eurosceptics in their own party and supporter base.

It was never necessary but giving a platform to right wing malcontents has proved incredibly dangerous and ultimately decisive and will cause our country irreparable damage economically and in status and reputation.

I would also add.

European federalists like Juncker have gotten away with things for 40 years without ever giving the electorate a real choice

I was remain.

I still am. I am anti arrogant politicians like Juncker. Who think they know better.

He's attacked Britain consistently ever since 1992. He has personal grievance against the UK for standing in the way of his federalism

 

[Librarian]

Best 2 out of 3?

To avoid confusion, this time there will be only one box to tick, obviously with a comment section for the apology

 

[Jib in lad]

Among other things. But even after doing that he looks squeaky clean next to Hilary.

To you he might but any right minded person should be appalled at that video.

 

[bizzaro]

No mate.

The single cause for this whole debacle is the Conservative's offer of a referendum as a hedge against Eurosceptics within their own party and particularly UKIP.

It was a commitment made that they never thought they needed to fulfill as they never thought they'd win a majority in May 2015. It's entirely caused by their inability to stand up to Eurosceptics in their own party and supporter base.

It was never necessary but giving a platform to right wing malcontents has proved incredibly dangerous and ultimately decisive and will cause our country irreparable damage economically and in status and reputation.

As a 'Remain' supporter I am also furious with Juncker

For playing right into the leave side.

By threatening the UK.

He undermined his own position as head of the European Commission by threatening a net contributor to the EU budget.

The head of the commission should not be threatening a country that has paid it's dues!

That alcoholic moron should never of been appointed.

 

[SNova]

Perhaps if the establishment listened to the people and their concerns it wouldn't take other voices to speak for them.

Instead they called ordinary decent people racists and bigots. The politically correct should reap what they sew.

Their constant use of identity politics has created something known as the 'alt right'.

This is the Alt Right, a creation of the regressive left.


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[dandydan]

To you he might but any right minded person should be appalled at that video.

Getting an ambassador and 3 others killed plus putting the frighteners on the unwilling victims of Bills affections vs hurting people's feelings.
Tough choice.

 

[Seanjd]

Perhaps if the establishment listened to the people and their concerns it wouldn't take other voices to speak for them.

Instead they called ordinary decent people racists and bigots. The politically correct should reap what they sew.

Their constant use of identity politics has created something known as the 'alt right'.

That identical to what's happened here in terms of the 'uneducated vote'

They should of put an IQ test at the doors of the polling station, with targets to be reached before entry permitted.

I'm happy for anyone to vote however they want. As long as everything is considered, not just the Immigration issue. This isn't about you. You're clearly intelligent. The racist mutants, who'll have never voted in their life are the ones who carried it over the line.

Although I agree with your general points, Ian, I think people need to be careful how they're labelling the working class in this country and who they place the blame with.

The racist mutants who have never votes in their lives are working class. Loads of Labour councils voted leave. They aren't inherintly racist though, are they? Some of them might be, but the majority are disenfranchised and looking for somebody to blame.

We cannot blame the working class here. The 'uneducated' is an offensive term to give to the majority of our society. Whose to blame? Those who ram racist mantra down the throats of those of us who are looking for answers.

 

[ianefc]

Although I agree with your general points, Ian, I think people need to be careful how they're labelling the working class in this country and who they place the blame with.

The racist mutants who have never votes in their lives are working class. Loads of Labour councils voted leave. They aren't inherintly racist though, are they? Some of them might be, but the majority are disenfranchised and looking for somebody to blame.

We cannot blame the working class here. The 'uneducated' is an offensive term to give to the majority of our society. Whose to blame? Those who ram racist mantra down the throats of those of us who are looking for answers.

If someone has voted leave to rebell against a government they feel is failing them, that's fine, it doesn't make them uneducated or racist. They feel let down with their current predicament and have tried to change it. No issues. I have an issue with those who have gone in with the sole intention of stopping migrants coming to this country and in doing so have risked our financial stability.

 

[Jib in lad]

Getting an ambassador and 3 others killed plus putting the frighteners on the unwilling victims of Bills affections vs hurting people's feelings.
Tough choice.

Deflect deflect.