Current Affairs EU In or Out

[edge]

i dont think it will be, labour mps arent moving, DUP arent moving...and theres still quite a few hardcore brexiteers...reckon be about a majority of 80 against

Be around that unless there is something going on we are not aware off , can't see it getting through myself as it stands.

 

[Harryflashman]

It's good that ERG and wider Tory party have been scared into accepting Mays deal in part. Be a shame for principled remainers to blink now after good indicative votes some real meat there. Either way soft or softer Brexit is about correct.

I’ve accepted we’re going to leave since it happened so therefore I’ve always wanted a softer Brexit . I mean obviously who knows but I think we’re getting closer to that than ever before so let’s see how it pans out .

 

[Brisan123]

Even though most experts think it'll be a disaster?

In my job, we rely on importing from Belgium. A no deal Brexit could possibly finish us off.

It's just a weird bragging competition for you... a reason to gloat and wind people up on the internet because you've naff all else to do.

I suspect it won't really have an affect on your life?

It will if it affects the funding for BMD and Frank doesn’t get the contract

 

[Librarian]

Curious as to what the Tories are up to today, they know this will be defeated but there’s a lot of cloak and dagger in the staging of it.

I wonder if the EU would accept an
Extension on the basis of May resignation and calling a General Election?

May resigns, the new Tori leadership puts their Brexit withdrawal agreement on a manifesto (and some new future relationship elements) to the people in a GE vs Labour's customs union with a People’s vote addendum.

I wonder if this is why the ERG are backing today’s vote minus the future relationship piece. They would effectively be taking the wheel in the GE campaign. This would keep the Tori party together and put pressure on Labour to set out their stall.

This would also allow them to jettison the DUP

 

[Brisan123]

I'll ban him if we get no deal so he can be a sad [Poor language removed] somewhere else. Gloating as people's lives are in the air is beyond the pale.

You may have to explain beyond the pale to those of a non Irish background lol

 

[Khalekan]

UK just say we are sticking to the agreement, not putting a border in place because of the agreement we have signed so it's over to you if you want to change that your side.
Free of movement between both sides has been in since before the EU was even though of so why a problem all of a sudden.
Any none Irish people can just fly into Liverpool airport ect if the want to enter the UK anyway so why make a special trip to Dublin to get get access to the UK?
Trade would be the same for northern Ireland for the rest of the UK .
Plus it's a falicy that things are not moving forward on the technology front as at least 2 countries are about to bring in these. Changes this year.

Name those two countries and state if they have had internal borders drawn up by a foreign power, implemented and imposed by that foreign power against the overwhelming majority of the citizens of that country and particularly despised by those living closest to it, edge.

If you fail do that then maybe you will begin to understand the uniqueness of the situation in Ireland and why the people of Ireland, and those of us in the Irish diaspora in England and beyond, will not meekly consent to that border manifesting itself again, either physically or with this wondrous new “technology” just because the English never for one nano second considerd how Brexit would affect Ireland and are now looking for us to roll over and accommodate them.

To quote somebody somewhere.......to hell with your English border.

You invented it....you live with the consequences of it.

Let me iterate for the benefit of Brexiteers new to this thread....and to remind those whom have been with us from the start.

Today you would be having Brexit on very decent terms and we could all be looking toward the future.

This is what was agreed between the EU and the UK in November 2017.

Great Britain was out.

The unique situation in NI was recognised and understood and that province was to be given the mother of all sweetheart deals.

It would remain in the UK and stay, to all intents and purposes, in the EU.

That deal was sunk because of the DUP and the ERG.

And you have wound up with the prospect of that deal encompassing the whole of the UK.

So if any Brexiteer is feeling sorry for themselves this morning, I heard a depressed Rees Mogg practically crying into his corn flakes this morning, they have good cause so to do.

But don’t point the finger of blame at the EU.

Don’t look towards Dublin for a scapegoat.

Do not even fault the hapless Mrs. May for this.

Look towards the real culprits to see why you are still in the EU today.

Blame Rees Mogg.....Johnson.....the preposterous Francois....that Dodds fellow....and our old friend Sammy Tache among many others in Westminster.

It is purely because they have peddled the fiction that Northern Ireland is no different from Northern England, when it very obviously is, that is leading you down the route to either No Deal penury or a second Referendum or indeed no Brexit at all.

Happy Non Brexit Day, chaps

 

[Khalekan]

You may have to explain beyond the pale to those of a non Irish background lol

lol

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I’ve accepted we’re going to leave since it happened so therefore I’ve always wanted a softer Brexit . I mean obviously who knows but I think we’re getting closer to that than ever before so let’s see how it pans out .

If the DUP and their ERG supporters hold against May, can't see many opposition MPs aiding and betting the Boris Johnson premiership and Brexit. So can't see how it goes through. And then it's softer or possibly no Brexit.

 

[Joey66]

I was being light hearted joe this is one of those areas I don’t really follow hence my desire to learn

Exactly unless you were at the coal face in your job - you would not see the ludicrous laws the EU fetched out... don't get me wrong they did fetch out necessary ones, but they just pile them in and in for the sake of it....
OK here's one for you the EU will not ban the pellet pesticide I know as Temic planted with most food crops, it's affecting our Bee population as its a systemic metabolism of that chemical kills most crop pest ..... imo and most scientist the Bee when pollinating is absorbing this chemical and dying......
Yet when I used it on ornamental plants under glass -why did I used to have too get dressed up like a spaceman ?
that was in the late 1970;s - ?.............
I will tell every vegetarian unless any crop is not certified organic - Vegetables are or can be just as toxic as meat....
Under glass before I retired I was moving away from pesticides to pest predators, more expensive way but a hell of a lot more effective, and safer.......

 

[Brisan123]

400 MPs voted against a No Deal.

The only time they showed a bit of sense

 

[Jebus_lives]

Utter rollocks by the EU trying to defend the indefensible you have not answered the rock salt one which enters our water way system instantly down the drains.......
Rock salt is crystalline sodium chloride, calledhalite by mineralogists. It occurs widely in the form of rock masses and beds and is abundant in rocks from all geologic periods.

You would be well within your rights to consume agent orange if you wanted to, I wouldn't recommend it, but you can't douse your plants with it.

I'm not sure what point you're making about rock salt going down the drains...who is pouring rock salt down the drains?

 

[Khalekan]

If the DUP and their ERG supporters hold against May, can't see many opposition MPs aiding and betting the Boris Johnson premiership and Brexit. So can't see how it goes through. And then it's softer or possibly no Brexit.

Indeed.

 

[Joey66]

You would be well within your rights to consume agent orange if you wanted to, I wouldn't recommend it, but you can't douse your plants with it.

I'm not sure what point you're making about rock salt going down the drains...who is pouring rock salt down the drains?

Urm your local authority when they grit the icy roads in the winter.... raw rock salt mined in Cheshire......

 

[Joey66]

The only time they showed a bit of sense

No whipping on most indicative votes - Labour did it on two - one shadow minister resigned...
look at the results on that night not a full turn out in parliment........
today's vote is even if lost is just to extend article 50 as the EU dictated it had to take pace by friday today.... or it would have been April the 12th cut off date..... this today means it goes to the 22nd of may....

 

[COYBL25]

Exactly unless you were at the coal face in your job - you would not see the ludicrous laws the EU fetched out... don't get me wrong they did fetch out necessary ones, but they just pile them in and in for the sake of it....
OK here's one for you the EU will not ban the pellet pesticide I know as Temic planted with most food crops, it's affecting our Bee population as its a systemic metabolism of that chemical kills most crop pest ..... imo and most scientist the Bee when pollinating is absorbing this chemical and dying......
Yet when I used it on ornamental plants under glass -why did I used to have too get dressed up like a spaceman ?
that was in the late 1970;s - ?.............
I will tell every vegetarian unless any crop is not certified organic - Vegetables are or can be just as toxic as meat....
Under glass before I retired I was moving away from pesticides to pest predators, more expensive way but a hell of a lot more effective, and safer.......

Temic is the licensed name of the chemical Aldicarb Joey.

It`s banned in Europe, for all the reasons you`ve mentioned.

No bees = no pollination = no crops= no food.

No surprise, it`s made by the industrial giant - Bayer, who I suspect have very powerful people on board looking after their interests.

I`m with you all the way on this one Joey.