Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Look whether you want to ignore it or not the EU instills bureaucracy that can hut businesses in the UK.......

Aren’t you a union man, you don’t think the EU have been instrumental in helping workers rights ? I’ll be honest a lot of what you write i’d Expect from the likes of @peteblue . I understand his position on the EU and business ,I get where he’s coming from . I understand others who want to leave to different reasons including the EU policies on state aid or a variety of reasons . I just sometimes struggle to reconcile yours .
 
On the contrary I have seen small business with a massive handbook file, stating they cant wait to leave as the stupid EU weekly checks will not be necessary anymore, and in time they will be able to employ more staff as it takes them so long to ensue stupid unnecessary EU directives........

Do you believe the (presumably) small number of businesses you've personally spoken to are comparable to the much larger number of businesses included in the research I quoted?
 
Aren’t you a union man, you don’t think the EU have been instrumental in helping workers rights ? I’ll be honest a lot of what you write i’d Expect from the likes of @peteblue . I understand his position on the EU and business ,I get where he’s coming from . I understand others who want to leave to different reasons including the EU policies on state aid or a variety of reasons . I just sometimes struggle to reconcile yours .
Same with you defending an organisation that takes control - I was a manager who had to comply with ludicrous EU directives in a massive organisation - as a manager it hindered myself , and staff ..... itb also raised cost too the council tax payer....
 
Its actually quite amazing, that so many people think its actually more then this really. The whole thing could be done and dusted within a temporary time frame. To think of how high the stakes are its quite mad.

The ironic thing I suppose is that the backstop only comes into play if a deal isn't concluded within the withdrawal transition timeframe, and it's the arch Brexiteers who told us it would be the easiest deal in history that are getting worked up by the backstop, and therefore presumably of the opinion that the deal won't be done in that timeframe and therefore the transition period will have to be extended.
 
A hard Brexit is incompatible with the good Friday agreement. Border checks will become necessary unless freedom of movement is allowed and there is regulatory alignment for trade.
UK just say we are sticking to the agreement, not putting a border in place because of the agreement we have signed so it's over to you if you want to change that your side.
Free of movement between both sides has been in since before the EU was even though of so why a problem all of a sudden.
Any none Irish people can just fly into Liverpool airport ect if the want to enter the UK anyway so why make a special trip to Dublin to get get access to the UK?
Trade would be the same for northern Ireland for the rest of the UK .
Plus it's a falicy that things are not moving forward on the technology front as at least 2 countries are about to bring in these. Changes this year.
 
UK just say we are sticking to the agreement, not putting a border in place because of the agreement we have signed so it's over to you if you want to change that your side.
Free of movement between both sides has been in since before the EU was even though of so why a problem all of a sudden.
Any none Irish people can just fly into Liverpool airport ect if the want to enter the UK anyway so why make a special trip to Dublin to get get access to the UK?
Trade would be the same for northern Ireland for the rest of the UK .
Plus it's a falicy that things are not moving forward on the technology front as at least 2 countries are about to bring in these. Changes this year.
I think the point is that one is frictionless and one is not. You can freely move across the border in Ireland, and by extension, into the UK...but you won't just be able to fly into the UK without passport checks.
 
and another link. I think this is fairly accurate

The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

Looking from the outside and as a person who visits London 4/5 times a year to visit my son and Liverpool 5/6 times a year for football i think if the word Great had been taken out of Great Britain years ago a lot of this mess would have been avoided
A lot of British people still think the Britain is an all conquering empire that Europe will bow to
The quotes of
Britain will hold all the cards in a trade deal back this up when in reality nothing could be further from the truth when it’s one economy dealing with 27
Britain has been a major bug bear in the EU plans with regard to reforming labour laws on minimum wage , zero hour contracts , holidays and workers rights in general , so while they may miss some of the markets they won’t miss the arrogance and stubbornness of the British Govt in relation to making laws that benefit the working man
I’m not saying the EU is perfect , far from it but as the speaker above said Europe is a lot better place to live and work because of it
 
Same with you defending an organisation that takes control - I was a manager who had to comply with ludicrous EU directives in a massive organisation - as a manager it hindered myself , and staff ..... itb also raised cost too the council tax payer....

Ok so I refer you to my question before when you linked me , rather than linking me or what you’ve seen on a news report what ludicrous directives did you personally have to comply with ? Just give me three or four and then I can either discuss it perhaps see where you’re coming from . I want to learn Joe , Let’s have an actual discussion like others have engaged in even if we disagree .

Life it’s about learning and honestly I want to , I’m ignorant about loads of things in life which is why I’m a voracious reader to try to make up for many numerous short comings ,
 
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